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My husband is a teacher and has law enforcement weapons training. As he points out though, that was 29 years ago. Back then he would have had a decent chance of hitting a school shooter, but today he would be lucky to have a 20% chance at hitting an active shooter and not another student. He does not want to carry a gun in school. He would not want to be at a school with armed teachers that didn't have recent weapons training either. The school would have to pay for weapons training and to get around current federal laws teachers would have to become sworn officers. The schools can't afford copy paper and other supplies for students but they can afford to pay for weapons training? Doubtful.

My husband has also been attacked by a student. If he had a gun on his body, he says it is very likely the student could have gotten the gun. There are a lot of parallels between the student who attacked him and the Florida shooter.

The amount of insurance schools would need to carry and the amount of lawsuits for gun mishaps would be outrageous. Once again, they can afford this but not the money to provide supplies and support services to students? Teachers aren't allowed to give lunch money to hungry or homeless students due to liability reasons and many districts have rules against giving food period to hungry students due to lawsuit fears. Teachers with guns are going to bring a host of lawsuits. What is to stop an angry student from saying their teacher threatened them with a gun?

This is just a bad idea all around.
 
I believe that Trump has been discussing guns in schools, so I misunderstood what you were referring to.

That's ok. That's honestly my fault for only watching the first part of his speach this morning while getting ready for work. I never got to the guns in schools idea which I agree is a very bad idea. What's wrong with metal detectors, bag and locker and even person searching (with consent of parents I suppose), and non-armed guards? Teachers carrying guns? No! A "dog trainer" (using that term very loosly) also said he wanted teachers to carry guns right after the shooting and before Trump's speech. People on his video were outlining why that's a very bad idea. I was speaking about the common sense part of his speach really as most of this is common sense.

But, that said, I don't think outlawing guns will do a damn thing. I hate guns personally and will never own one. But watching a vlogging family that have a 1 yr old and a 3 yr old responsibly conseal carry (and you have no idea the gun is even on them on their videos though it usually is 99% of the time and they are very open about it) makes it much more apparent that yes, it is possible to conseal carry with small children reaponsibly. What is so wrong with required classes to learn how to be a reaponsible gun owner in order to carry at all? Money? So what! A child was able to get a gun out of their mother's purse and shoot her in Walmart I believe it was. That is an example of unresponsible gun ownership. But you don't have to take away everyone 2nd admendment right to protect themselves and their family the way they so choose to fix this. And that does nothing anyway.

Stop giving mentally disabled guns. I don't think I could get a gun but I shouldn't be able to. I am under psychtriactic and theraputic care. I don't think anyone under the care of a psychtrist or a therapist should own a gun.

There are ways to fix this other then outlawing guns all together. Criminals will always find a way. Always!
 
I never got to hear Rick Scott's speach and just heard pieces of it on a gun owner's Florida resident vlog (yes, i watch a lot of vlogs) who agrees with it as do I. Nothing about guns in school but making stricter gun laws. A police officer to every 1,000 children in a school, raising the age to 21 (way overdue), taking comments about shooting up a school (which happened here on youtube that was reported to the FBI and the FBI did nothing) way more serious, taking guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, harsher penalities for those that aren't allowed to have a gun and is caught with one. And I heard a piece about schools having to reup every year to ensure they are in compliance with the new laws.

I really like Governor Rick Scott. He did amazing before, during, and after Irma and I think he is doing amazing now. Just from the pieces of his speach I heard anyway.
 
I have yet to hear anyone define "the mentally ill". The one thing that comes across is that it's a group that usually doesn't include the speaker. In the old Soviet union, "mental illness" had a flexible definition that could include anyone the state wants to include.

I can't help but wonder if money spent to hire more school counselors wouldn't be money better spent. Mass shooting make headlines but they're rare, per capita.

What makes 21 the magic age when you qualify for gun ownership? Kids kill more kids with cars in a year than with guns, but you can drive at 16 (younger sometimes), should we raise the legal driving age? And, seriously, if an 18 year old is too immature to buy a beer or own a gun, how does it makes sense to charge a 14 year old as an adult in criminal court?
 
That's the way it is NOW. It hasn't worked real well because paperwork doesn't get submitted and because most of the recent shooters don't fit that definition anyway. Or sounds, to me,, like they must be planning on changing the definition.
 
Or sounds, to me,, like they must be planning on changing the definition.

Yes, that's what I'm understanding. And it should change. I have never been hospitalized period and I should not be able to own a gun. I am under psychtratic and theraputic care. That should disqualify me right there. But I am also on medication for mental reasoning AND pain meds. That should be a possible reasoning depending on those meds and the possible side effects of those meds and one should be under the microscope a bit harder if medicated. Does the person's judgement get affected by those meds? They don't for me but they could. And that's the point.

That definition absolutly needs to change. We may all disagree on how it should change but it should change nonetheless.
 
Personally, I think that we need to come up with something that will allow us to pinpoint people with mental illness before they are allowed to buy a gun. Shit, police have to pass a psych test, so maybe we should incorporate a psych test for people trying to buy a gun.

There IMO, needs to be a shitload done, and hopefully NOW the government will start to at least have the conversation about guns, gun laws, mentally fit to own a gun, bump stocks, automatic rifles, and so on......

I also want to say that never have I been more proud of a group of people than I am of th CHILDREN in this generation that are doing what all the adults have failed miserably at.... I’m so proud of everything they are doing, and I hope to attend the march in Washington next month......
 
The psychiatrist who authored the article above goes on to explain that mental illness and violence don’t correlate. Other studies have shown those with mental illness are 5 times less likely to commit acts of violence than the general population.

Back to the article above:
Meanwhile, society disregards a much stronger risk factor for violence. Having an active substance use disorder increases the risk of violence substantially, yet in Maryland an individual can accumulate up to three alcohol-related driving offenses before losing the right to own a weapon. Conversely, a single 30-day voluntary admission to a psychiatric unit is disqualifying. There is a certain perversity to laws that disqualify an individual who seeks help voluntarily while shielding someone who resists rehabilitation.

No one is talking about taking away guns from those with addictions, who actually are much more likely than the general population to commit acts of violence.
 
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@Justmehere I would beg to differ. I really believe that in order for someone to kill anyone or do a mass shooting that you’d have to be mentally ill to do so. Snapped, out of reality, off kilter, loss of judgement. Yes, people get angry and do terrible things, but most people don’t cross that line when it comes to murder. If they did then they aren’t all there IMO!!!!!

@scout86 IF, the government came up with new rules on buying guns, I seriously doubt it would affect those that had guns already. I believe that they would be Grandfathered in....
 
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