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I grew up in a family of hunters. Everyone had a gun. People want a shot gun to hunt? Sure, go ahead. I'll even give them a handgun for protection if they want...but an AR-15? NO ONE needs and AR-15 or other similar semi-automatic or automatic weapon. It's ridiculous. If people want to shoot them, confine them solely to shooting ranges and require that they be kept at the range.

I'm tired of people accusing me (not here) of trying to take away their 2nd amendment rights or their guns. I'm not trying to take away your "gun", I'm trying to take away your semi-automatic and automatic military-designed weapons of mass destruction.
 
Or we could be talking about the kind of fun people, included very very young people, can be having when g...
But we are not. We are talking about a specific public issue, at this point in time, in *this* country. And I'm sorry, but I beg to differ with what i see as vast oversimplification. Thank you.

And no, the question of a murderous mindset/ACCESS TO EASY FIREARMS is simply a consequence of the gross lack of problem solving.
 
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I have a great deal of respect, and kind feeling towards you, and whatever our disagreement on this subject. isn't going to change that respect.

There's a large body of research into misuse of guns and legislative approaches to it. I've studied it in a fairly serious way for just coming up thirty years later this year.

Summer 1988 was the first mass public shooting in Britain, that was what got me started.

Over that time, I've read the research on both sides, and communicated with some of the researchers, including veteran British researcher Colin Greenwood, who was a police superintendent. And some of the American researchers, including John R Lott, who incidentally began with an anti civilian gun ownership viewpoint. His research findings converted him to a strongly pro viewpoint.

I actually had an offer to train as a gunsmith when I was in my teens, but studied and worked in engineering instead. That said, I worked pretty much full time shoots from the middle of August last year, through to the end of the pheasant season 15 days ago.

Twenty nine years and however many months immersion in the subject, and yeah, unfortunately I look at these events analytically now.

Based on experience, I've very little faith in the official narratives. I've heard the inside stories from people who have been there in a SWAT type capacity, and of insiders from the firearms licensing side. There's a lot of bungling and politics that doesn't get into the official narrative when someone gets shot by a pleb.

Add to that, the historical side.

What follows is not theory, it's well estabilised historical fact. It's in the light of what follows, and like events (there are more), that some people are on the lookout for Inconsistencies, and are sceptical about the all too clean official narratives.

You will have heard of the supposed spate of anarchist bombings in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries?

Those that weren't outright fakes by the police (the same length of gas piping was presented as the latest bomb on at least seven different occasions by Chicago police - in hoaxes that were mirrored more recently by the faked explosive finds by County Donegal Police in the the 1980s),

Or hyped by sensationalist journalists eager to sell papers,

were usually set up by police. Eg a young man killed by the bomb he was carrying outside Greenwich observatory had been given the bomb to carry by a policeman!

The anarchist terror scare was largely fabricated. Sure, there were probably odd copycats amongst it, but not many.

The truth of the supposedly left wing terror in Europe from 1968 through to about 1990 including the Milan and bologna bombings and the kidnap and murder of former Italian prime minister Aldo Moro, began to be admitted to the Italian parliament by the then serving prime minister, Giulio Andreotti. He'd been involved in the movement behind them. They were "false flag" operations, carried out by a parallel structure set up by the allies after world war 2, known as "Gladio"

Similar structures were found to exist in every western European country including non nato Switzerland and Sweden. Britain and Ireland were the only places where such parallel structures were never admitted to.

Whether those who suspect false flags in mass shootings are right or wrong in their suspicions. It's important that those who claim coercive power, should feel subject to the utmost scruitiny and suspicion.

The results of past false flags have carried terrible cost in human lives. After all Hitler rose to the Chancellorship on the back of a campaign of terrorism perpetrated by his party's thugs, but blamed on Jews and international socialists.
 
For all the readers and posters on the thread:

Global forum, global viewpoints.

This is a topic with many dimensions, and it’s interconnected with peoples’ PTSD in many ways.

Passionate advocacy and disagreement is to be expected, yeah?

Respect and disagreement aren’t mutually exclusive. Respect the person, disagree with the viewpoint, and don’t go into an argument like this expecting to win. Express, listen, think. If it’s getting too personal for you, step back. Just like anywhere else on the forum.

Thanks.
 
I’ll stand corrected on my semantics. Clearly the thing more dangerous than a gun is the rage and blatant disreagard for humanity that has unrestricted access to any gun. The planning that goes into these mass shootings is particularly disturbing to me.
 
Guns are indeed worse than stabbings, yet I think it's a matter of convenience that guns are the c...

i think the issue is the level of gun violence across the board in the US, not just mass shootings. single person murders, suicide, accidents have killed more American citizens since 1968 than all their wars combined. It is outrageous when you really take in the numbers. More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes
 
Semi automatic or automatic they shouldn’t be allowed in civilians hands.

Mental health issues may be the reason behind these shooting. BUT!!!! Because guns are available to people with mental issues we now have mass murder. If they didn’t have access to guns, there wouldn’t be mass murder

Laws need to be looked at and the laws need to be changed. I’m not saying that the second amendment needs to be gotten rid of, I’m talking about tightening our laws, getting rid of weapons of WAR in civilians hands,

This is an epidemic in the United States and yet we do NOTHING, but talk about it and bury the dead!!!!!
 
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