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I'm Going to Stir The Pot - Cultures

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Yep. And there were Canadian born terrorists, called the FLQ, who caused the October Crisis of 1970. They murdered a Canadian politician and a British diplomat. Prime Minister Trudeau imposed martial law as a result. These terrorists were Quebecois, lily white, with families who had been in Canada for several generations. Shows you never know, and that is why it is so important not to judge individuals.

Evie's oncologist, who just happens to be a Muslim, is tops in taps. So is her allergist, also a Muslim. As others have stated, it is the Hypocratic Oath to be concerned with, not a person's race or creed. And if I may be so bold, having anxiety is not a excuse for prejudice in my opinion. Nothing excuses prejudice or racism.

Jim.
 
And if I may be so bold, having anxiety is not a excuse for prejudice in my opinion. Nothing excuses prejudice or racism.


I completely agree Jim. It does however lead to black and white thinking (if you pardon the pun) which is why its good to challenge it.
 
Well ! When I said I was going to "Stir the Pot" I guess I accomplished my goal. I throughly enjoy the responses to my post. Looking forward to even more. To those of you in the states Happy 4th
 
Claire said:
Surely this is more to do with the total disregard of the Hippocratic Oath rather than the colour or creed of the doctors concerned?
A bit of both though I believe, and its not a racist thing, its simply facts, and I completely understand what Herc is pointing out. The facts are, Muslim religion is often behind suicide bombers / those inflicting terrorism. Even those who are reported as being of another nation, still when caught have converted to a Muslim type religion / cult following prior.

It's not racist to call a person black if they are in fact black, its only a socialistic outlook and opinion that makes it perceived as racist. If the person is offended, that still does not make racism, simply you have offended the person. If your white, and a black person called you white, then they are not telling a mis-truth, they are telling the truth, which actually means its not racial, but only an interpretation or political correctness from society that believes such is racist.

The facts though, doctors and others within esteem positions have been over-looked through the terrorism suspects, thus they have been gathering in those professions to commit terror. These are the facts. You don't see catholic or other religion across the media suicide bombing. Yes, you see them going crazy and killing with a gun, but not terrorism through planning for maximum effectiveness. The facts are that those who fit the profile, such as those who have recently shot up schools, have more psychological problems than understanding exactly what their doing at the time, ie. planned and prepared. Very few fit the planned and prepared status, compared to religious terrorism which is precisely planned, prepared and executed for maximum destruction and casualties.

I totally understand what herc is saying in relation to doctors and other higher employment positions that are merely over-looked, and even the fact that other cultures seem to now be dominating some employments. Why? More often than not, cheaper labour / labour shortage solutions.
 
The facts are, Muslim religion is often behind suicide bombers / those inflicting terrorism.

Please don't confuse one person's religion with another's politics.

These are the facts. You don't see catholic or other religion across the media suicide bombing.

IRA Catholics in Britian planting bombs for decades. Ultra right-wing Christian groups in US bombing abortion clinics and putting hits out on abortion doctors. Terrorist acts by both Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland. This list could go on and on all the way back to the founding of religions.

Let's not forget that killing and spreading terror in the name of God/religion is an age old practice.
 
Well, radicals are behind it simply put. But like it or not Muslim radicals are doing it. Not all Muslim are terrorist, but the terrorist being spoken of are certainly Muslim striking worldwide. Agree radicals come in every shape and cause. Don't know much about Catholic/Protestant terrorism you mention but hear there is a riff and hubs and I both kind of blow it off since well, I being Catholic and he Protestant it has never been an issue. I assume that is because we are not radicals. Something about those 10 commandments make sense whether you are religious or not. The don't lie, kill... you get the idea.

I am sure not too many years ago here in recent history many a black person had there guard up to most white people as they had no clue who was the enemy. Many white people still fought for equal rights and hung their head in shame to what their brothers did, but do you think back then a black man would just take a white mans word for it and not have doubt?

Like it or not self preservation holds some fear of the unknown. That is life and it changes with the times. I am not going to even try to excuse myself from having fear. If people have a problem with it, well... Screw 'em, my therapist is paid to help me with that. In the mean time I can pay what ever doc I choose for services since it comes out of my pocket. At least I still have a choice who I see compared to some other places who assign you to a doc.
 
I agree for the most part Marlene in regard to the IRA, however; there tactics and motives are far more reaching than what you have mentioned. The IRA's populous has changed dramatically since the early 1900's, where in "fact" what we know as the IRA's astrocities, where actually not the real IRA themselves, but instead offshoots and splits from members of the IRA who wanted to terrorise beyond the scope of what the IRA stood.

Now you can then apply this to those who believe that its the muslim religion alone that provokes terrorism, which would be racism; as the muslim religion itself actually strictly opposes death, suicide and killing of any other being. Once again, those within the religion who determine and interpret for themselves what they believe something should be, thus they split from the real muslim religion, call themselves muslim anyhow, then terrorise the world.

Quite detailed when you look into both, and not really the same in relation to terrorism, especially as though the IRA was not against Catholics in general, ie. go wipe out all catholics around the world and terrorise the world, instead factions which claimed they where the IRA did terrorist acts, though did not actually belong to the actual IRA themselves, only a stated claim for media, as the muslim issue seems to have gotten out of hand around the world also.

I must agree with herc though in relation to the topic of this thread, in that certain professions have been infultrated and used in order to invoke terrorist acts around the world unbeknownst to the authorities, or slipped long enough to do damage before being noticed. Interesting.... yet also factual with my own opinions ending.
 
I really shouldn't be in this thread as I get upset about these matters quite easily, but I do have to learn to respect other people's opinions more, so this is good exposure for me. I am a bit confused about how I feel on this issue, I actually see where everyone who has posted is coming from, even though you don't all agree. I often can see all sides of an issue and therefore have trouble making comments.

This is a little off topic but whenever terrorism is discussed, regardless of who is being the terrorist, the first thing that comes to my mind is, what have the countries experiencing terrorism done to make the problem worse? I don't feel that the US government or the British government, etc, is innocent in these matters. In my opinion, many of the wars going on right now are not for protection of the world, but more for economic reasons, such as control of the world's oil. Of course none of that excuses terrorism, but I can see where people from those countries would get to the point of hating us and not being able to take it anymore. Many people in the third world are suffering greatly, and the first world countries aren't taking enough responsibility for that in my opinion. We live infinitely better than the majority of people in the world, it isn't fair, and eventually we're going to have to pay for what we are doing.
 
This is a little off topic but whenever terrorism is discussed, regardless of who is being the terrorist, the first thing that comes to my mind is, what have the countries experiencing terrorism done to make the problem worse? I don't feel that the US government or the British government, etc, is innocent in these matters. In my opinion, many of the wars going on right now are not for protection of the world, but more for economic reasons, such as control of the world's oil. Of course none of that excuses terrorism, but I can see where people from those countries would get to the point of hating us and not being able to take it anymore. Many people in the third world are suffering greatly, and the first world countries aren't taking enough responsibility for that in my opinion. We live infinitely better than the majority of people in the world, it isn't fair, and eventually we're going to have to pay for what we are doing.

Excellent points and I couldn't agree more!

bec
 
I do totally agree with you Evie.... its an interesting point. Our governments do more behind the scenes than what the public will ever see, trust me on that one, I know first hand, as would others within the military who have done operations which either don't exist, or have been lied about in order to cover something else. It happens, its not just a TV myth, it does actually happen, thus the only way for these countries to get retribution is to perform a terrorist act against the offending country, as they often don't have the resources nor manpower to attack the country directly... so small acts often substitute what the populous doesn't see behind the scenes.

More often than not, the country / political arena deserves it, its merely the innocent civilians and lives taken that DO NOT deserve to be lost. Its like war IMO, where the outcome is always the same, someone claims they win, the other side also claims they won, and all that happened is the politicians finally agreed on something though many lives where lost in the political process. Why? Stupidity comes to my mind... but thats just my opinion.
 
dr's are people. you can't pigeon-hole people by what religion, race, height, weight, etc. they are. some of them are crazy, too. some of them are radical, some are kind, some are caring, some are good dr's, some are not, but not because they are foreign. my psychiatrist is muslim. i trust him.
 
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