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PTSD Rates Increased by 61 Percent After Abortion

Discussion in 'News, Politics & Debates' started by anthony, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. anthony

    anthony MyPTSD Admin Staff Member Premium Member

    According to a study published in the journal BMC Psychiatry, women who have experienced abortion have high levels of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), which follow findings from earlier studies linking abortion and PTSD.

    The study of 155 women in South Africa who had abortions looked at symptoms before abortion and at one month and three months after abortion. Almost one-fifth of the women had symptoms that met the criteria for PTSD, leading the authors to note that "high rates of PTSD characterize women who have undergone voluntary pregnancy termination." Further, at three months after the abortions, the number of women with PTSD had increased by 61 percent compared to before the abortion.

    The researchers compared levels of pain and psychological outcomes among women who had received a local anesthetic versus those who had received IV sedation. Women who had received a local anesthetic had higher levels of pain before and during abortion and were more likely to experience PTSD symptoms, but researchers found no difference in symptoms over a longer period of time.

    In other words, what the study found was that using one form of pain management over the other did not effect rates of psychological trauma experienced by women after abortion. These findings lend credence to the theory that abortion itself is the cause of trauma for women, not the amount of physical pain they experience.

    This study is not the first to link abortion with increased levels of PTSD. In a 2004 study published in the Medical Science Monitor, 65 percent of American women who had undergone abortions reported symptoms of PTSD, which they attributed to their abortions, and slightly over 14 percent reported all the symptoms necessary for a clinical diagnosis of PTSD.

    Other studies have linked abortion to higher rates of sleep disorders, which are often associated with PTSD, as well as higher rates of anxiety disorders, clinical depression, substance abuse, suicide, and other problems. One study found increased rates of death from cardiovascular rates among women who had abortions up to eight years earlier compared to women who gave birth, which the researchers speculated could be related to trauma symptoms.

    The authors of the BMC study called for more screening to be done on women prior to abortion in order to "help identify women at risk of PTSD and provide follow-up care." However, there is no evidence that abortion alleviates any psychological symptoms in women and abortion has been in fact linked to increased mental health problems - including PTSD - after abortion.

    The Elliot Institute's model legislation, the Protection from High Risk and Coerced Abortion Act, would require abortion businesses to screen women for evidence that they are being coerced or forced into unwanted abortions and for other risk factors that are likely to put them at risk for post-traumatic stress and other problems after abortion.

    "The abortion industry should not be subjecting women to a procedure that is likely to increase or cause symptoms of post-traumatic stress or other mental health problems," said Elliot Institute director Dr. David Reardon, who has worked on more than a dozen studies documenting the psychological impact of abortion on women. "Furthermore, the evidence shows that many of these abortions are unwanted and the result of pressure or coercion from others. The industry should be held liable for putting women at risk and performing unwanted and dangerous abortions."

    Source: Lifesite News
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  2. linasmom

    linasmom New Member

    I'm sorry, but that sounds scary to me. "Lifesite News", now that wouldn't be a religious pro-life circulation, would it?

    Is there really a way to tell if someone is going to "get" PTSD? I didn't think that was possible, but I'm fairly ignorant to my own illness.
  3. nic

    nic New Member

    Well, I have a bit of trouble with these types of studies. I must admit, however, that I am a bit biased, as I am a strong pro-choice feminist/activist. However, I did a lot of research on this as an undergrad, and I also have a background as rape crisis counselor, so my "opinion" IS backed up through data.

    That being said, this is what I find troubling about the study:

    1. Many of these studies are either led, funded, or otherwise supported by anti-choice groups and/or the religious right. Therefore, I wonder if there may be any bias in how the study is conducted and/or how the results are interpreted.

    2. Women who choose abortion may be at a higher risk for PTSD even without the abortion. For example:
    - There are many women whose pregancy is the result of rape/incest, and very often these women will not report sexual assault as the cause of the pregnancy
    - There are many women who choose abortion due to incliment home situations, such as domestic abuse
    -(Especially in young women), many become sexually active before they're ready due to difficulties during childhood (family issues, etc.) and these women tend to be less likely to use proper controception, and therefore are at a higher risk for pregnancy and PTSD in itself
    - Many, (in fact most), women who choose abortion do so because they cannot provide what is needed for a child, financially and/or emotionally. If these women are more likely (than women who choose to bring the fetus to term) to have an unstable background, (again financially, emotionally, etc.), then it would make sence that they would also be at a higher risk for PTSD
    3. These types of studies often influence both the medical community as well as women deciding on abortion. It's as if a warning is attached. However, we will never know the psychological impact of THESE women had they chosen to carry the fetus to term. Yes, we may compare them to those who decided not to abort, but these two groups of women are NOT the same and should not be treated as such.

    4. Studies like this often sway policy and law, which may then make it harder for women to obtain abortion. This may then cause more cases of PTSD in the future.

    5. Basically, studies such as this make it seem as though women are unable to make the choice for themselves. Believe it or not, (as Rosie the Riveter stated), "we can do it." We do not need doctors, theorists, or anyone telling us what is best for our own bodies, our own lives.

    Now I uderstand that there are many women, (especially in certain countries), who are either pressured or forced to abort their fetus. I, as well as pretty much pro all-choice advocates, think this is horrible, as abortion should always be the sole CHOICE of the woman. These cases should be closely examined, and we should work to making sure all abortions ARE, indeed, the choice of the woman.

    Anyway, I could stay on this topic forever, and give many more reasons why we must be VERY careful with any study linking PTSD and abortion, but I'm going to stop now.

    nic
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  4. TLight

    TLight VIP Member

    As a scientist, remember, a positive correlation never indicates cause and effect.

    A lot is made of these 'studies' all over the news. I've had two abortions. REally, the least of the traumatizing things in my life.
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  5. linasmom

    linasmom New Member

    Nic,

    For some reason, I can't see the smilies but I wanted to give you big applause!!

    When a "study" ends on a declarative such as "the industry should be held liable", one can't help but smell a rat. This "study" is so biased I'm almost embarrassed for its authors.

    Best,
    Rachel (a fellow strong pro-choicer)
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  6. Shoshin

    Shoshin New Member

    From the Lifesite web site: (http://www.lifesitenews.com/aboutlifesite/index.html) LifeSiteNews.com's writers and its founders, have come to understand that respect for life and family are endangered by an international conflict. That conflict is between radically opposed views of the worth and dignity of every human life and of family life and community. It has been caused by secularists attempting to eliminate Christian morality and natural law principles which are seen as the primary obstacles to implementing their new world order....

    ...The service was originally started by Campaign Life Coalition (CLC), a Canadian national pro-life organization headquartered in Toronto, Canada. Campaign Life Coalition, founded in 1978, was one of the first pro-life organizations to emphasize the international dimension of attacks on life and family. Along with a few other groups it pioneered pro-life lobbying at United Nations conferences. CLC president, Jim Hughes, is currently also vice-president of the International Right to Life Federation...

  7. nic

    nic New Member

    Wow...um, I think that just speaks for itself.
  8. Ambience

    Ambience New Member

    My experience of PTSD & Abortion

    Hi all,

    I'm new here and i'm in absolutely agony as i write on the forum tonight. I am so glad i've stumbled across a place where hopefully i can find help for what i consider PTSD in relation to my abortion i had around 5 years ago.

    I suppose the reason i'm so traumatised by it is because my boyfriend threatened to kill himself if i did not have an abortion. I loved my ex boyfriend and i still care about him and know that he is a good person despite him saying that he was going to die and he couldn't be a father.

    I at the time was young and naive and trusting of everyone. I noticed i suffered with some degress of anxiety problems, namely panic as i'd grown up with a mother who had a personality disorder and had experienced quite a few unusual situations in my childhood which resulted in me feeling fearful of the world.

    Despite this i worked in sales and always functioned seamingly normally. I did go through a period where panic attacks caught up with me and used to find it difficult.

    After finding out i was pregnant when contraception failed, my boyfriend insisted that he would die if i did not get an abortion. He was serious. He starved himself for a week. Everyone i turned too told me to abort my child, my friends, family. I was so helpless with noone to turn too.

    He took me to the doctors to ask for an abortion and the doctor signed it off on the grounds of my panic. I still feel angry about this that doctors can do that. I never received any councelling. My boyfriend took me to this waiting room where i had an ultrasound. I remember feeling like everything was unreal, like it wasn't really happening to me, like i was just an observer.

    It's like that scene is frozen in time and it haunts me as i remember the ultrasound of my unborn child at 6 weeks old. Some may of course debate life at this age, but to me, i had a little girl who was growing in side me and i was already so in love with her. Of course i couldn't know the sex of my baby, but i felt i knew intuatively and called her Amy.

    I remember my boyfriend being so supportive, i was suppressing my emotions and the drugs my doctor put me on for panic made it so i could hardly hear the crys below the surface. Never again will i not listen to those crys, never again will i be led like i was to the horrible fate that i would endure for the rest of my life. This to me was something worse than death.

    I didn't know at the time. I just knew it was all dreadfully wrong. Looking back i was a child, not an adult, not fully awake to the world. I was living in a fantasy almost of how i thought reality was. I used to think everyone was loving and caring and would do the right thing by me , as this is what i was brought up to believe. I believed others over myself. I trusted so deeply.

    Sitting here tonight i can hardly breathe as i write this. It hurts me so deeply. Years have past now, either 5 or six. I can hardly bear to recall the day that i went under anesthetic to have my child aborted. The worst thing is i didn't really know what i was doing. What was a life, what was this abortion, i was totally oblivious.

    Now though i'm fully awake to the horror of that day. I walked out of the place bleeding and remember how everything went back to normal quickly. My body knew though. I started avoiding supermarkets. I didn't know why but now i do. I hear the children crying down the isles, i hear them helpless and i know that i'm responsible for mutilating my own child in my womb.

    I asked myself what kind of mother could do that, what else was i caperble of. To me i'd murdered my own child. I didn't come to this revalation until years afterwards. The first three years i spent in denial experiencing bodily symptoms but nothing mental except anxiety.

    Now there isn't a day that goes by that i don't get triggered by something on the TV. Seeing a baby takes me into a deep despair. Overwhelming thoughts about what a bad person i am , how i murdered my child intrude and i try my hardest to overide them with other equally hurtful thoughts, as no amount of reasoning with my self can dispel the fact that to me i took my own childs life intentionally. I made that choice even if i was coerced and it breaks my heart into millions of pieces.

    It's taken me so long to reach out for help and still i sit here crying tonight with noone in the world to hear me. I stumbled across a post abortion healing site, but the agony of being there is too much, people crying and writing and grieving for their lost children. 1000's of women who suffer. I looked today for books on the matter and saw around 6 books on healing after abortion. I felt so hopeless.

    The one hope for me though is that i am experiencing all the symptoms of ptsd. I have done the self test in books and sites and my score is through the roof, though i dare not go to the doctors for fear of being humiliated and disbelieved. I do need a diagnosis for ptsd to heal, but it's not allowed for women to grieve about abortions and to suffer after them, everyone is so quiet, so deeply in pain. Noone can speak about this great suffering... it hurts just to part the lips on the subject let alone come forward and stand up for all the women who are experiencing this, which i know is many.

    Abortion to me equated to murder and haunts me everyday. It is so traumatic and i don't know if this is ptsd, but i hope it is because i'm so tired of trying to heal something that is imaginary. I'm sat here tonight crying my eyes out and this post may mean nothing to anyone but i so appreciate being able to release some of my feelings here tonight.

    I've been such a difficult person to live with lately and my relationship is suffering so badly with my extreme outburst of anger. I'm angry all the time now. Hardly a moment goes by when i'm not feeling intense anger. I can't watch television, because not just babies but anything bad triggers me, like other criminals who have done bad things, anything with a neurological link to my experience of mutilating my child in the womb, for example child abuse etc. I feel as bad as all these people, just because i aborted my child and i'm tortured every single day.

    I know it's not normal, but i don't know how to make it stop. I can act as though i'm not going through this, but every now and then i crack. Any stress just intensifys the intrusive thoughts. Although without stress and being alone i feel relatively sane. Forgive me if you think i'm just crazy and not suffering ptsd here. I just wanted to share my story with you. I hope you understand.

    I'm neither for or against abortion, i just know the truth, any women who makes this decision and attaches these kind of meanings to the experience is going to endure lifelong suffering based on a values set such as mine. I wouldn't even hurt a moth, let alone a child, and this is killing me inside every single day. I wish i could get help with this i really do.
    I wish anyone would understand. Doctors just seem to dismiss me give me tablets for low mood, but i'm not depressed. I'm just tramatised because i let me baby be aborted and there is nothing i can do to turn back the clock. There is nothing i can do to change that decision, it's made and now i've a karmic debt to endure forever.

    I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but i'd appreciate your views on if you think ptsd is what i'm going through. Also obviously anniversary dates like this september are particularly difficult and i have felt diassociated from that part of me that hates myself for what i did. I've almost felt like i've had another personality in my head at times ( not different from my own mind- just like an internal war with myself), I feel like i'm diassociating from that part of me that hates me for murdering my child. As i believe i'm a good person, but a massive part of me affirms that i committed an act that the most inhumane people on the planet would do, not an act of a loving girl, but of someone lacking in empathy and compassion. I know this is not true, but it's difficult to find some logic to help myself based on my belief that my child was a life to me. I wish i could see things differently but i can't.

    My christian friend trys to help me telling me it wasn't my fault, and god will forgive me etc, but i'm just truth based, not airy fairy fantasy based, so i believe you are responsible for your actions and that actions have a consequence to endure.

    Anyways. I've gone off on a tangent. Please forgive me. This is my first post and i don't really know the moderation rules here so i hope i haven't offended anyone or caused any distress. This is my experience in relation to abortion and ptsd. I hope that i can receive some confirmation here that this is what i am suffering with.

    Much Love Janey xx
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  9. Tessa

    Tessa VIP Member Premium Member

    Hello Ambience,
    How I wish I could reach down the computer and hug you. You need to let your precious little baby rest in the arms of an angel.Sometimes it helps to have a special place to remember your baby or plant a flower. It also helps to have a "funeral" sevice or some form of dedication and reverence.
    There is a good book called "giving Sorrow Words" which I found after my 2 daughters had abortions. I watch the terrible trauma they go through now and the book helped me as a grieving grandmother.
    One daughter now has ovarian cancer and may never have her precious child.The other one was young and attracted to a good looking yet evil man who made girls pregnant and knotched the abortions up on his belt with pride. My daughter so desperatly wanted to keep her baby. We sought psychologists and social workers but they were no help. He held a knife to her neck and made her go through with it. I will never forget that day. Now she has PTSD and has since been raped. She has a dog which is her "child".
    I do not want to depress you with our story.Just know that I am reaching out with love and care and feel so much for you.
    Thankyou for being brave enough to write your story here. I am crying now as I can feel your pain.
    Please take care and know that the angels hold your baby safely.
    I have a special angel holding a baby for my 3 grandchildren . I find it helps.
    I am crying too much now
    Love and care and hugs
    Tessa
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  10. Ambience

    Ambience New Member

    Thanks Tessa

    I'm feeling abit teary tonight myself to be honest. I used to get triggered by my boyfriend going off to see his ex girlfriends as he put me in a position of no choice like my ex boyfriend did and i linked this to my abortion. So every time he would go i would break down. He thought i was over-reacting but i was flashing back to the immense pain i felt that day of having no choice. I know i have a choice now, but that's not how you feel when you love someone and they are exploiting that love for you by putting you in that position.

    My current boyfriend would tell me i should leave him if i couldn't deal with him going off to see his exs. It was like my abortion all over again. I know it wasn't the same, but the no choice thing was awful. I don't know if i've made that clear, because i'm not too great at explaining myself sometimes and can be abit confusing.

    Thankyou for the idea of the plant or something to remember her. I think I will have a hard think about this. I did name my business after her and it failed as I wanted to punish myself for what I'd done.

    Since my abortion I have lots of replacement children, in the form of my pets, I love them as my children. I do remember anniversaries, but I just ask my boyfriend to promise not to go see his ex's on those days, which he doesn't, but we don't do anything special. I don't really know how I can remember those days in a special way.I just like to curl up in a ball and hibernate.

    I will buy the book you recommended- thankyou so much. I'm really grateful you hear my crys. It's nice to know that someone cares. I sometimes feel silly because my sister will say I should just get a grip, but this is so real for me. I don't know why I am so traumatised, but I just am.

    Thankyou Tessa, you have brought so much comfort and love to me tonight. That really means alot to me. I almost feel like i don't deserve it after what I did. I do deserve to be punished, but I'm so tired of hurting myself, I don't want to think of myself as I have done anymore. I want to see myself beautiful as I used too before my abortion.

    With every tear for her I feel peace, like I'm dedicating that lost part of my own soul to her, am I okay to cry about this really?

    *hugs*

    Thankyou Tessa x
  11. Tessa

    Tessa VIP Member Premium Member

    Dear Ambience

    I'm glad some of my hugs reached you. Please don't punish yourself anymore.
    I was in so much pain and I needed to do something private to remember the babies.
    I took a candle and a Bible to my psychologists visit and asked him if I could have a little service to remember the babies. I lit the candle and said prayers and read a little Bible reading in private where it would not trouble any of the family. I was so grateful to my psychologist for letting me do this as it felt like we had given the babies some reverence.
    I hope you find something special too.

    Hugs
    Tessa
  12. anthony

    anthony MyPTSD Admin Staff Member Premium Member

    Please keep it on topic or the content will be removed.
  13. evergreen

    evergreen New Member

    Thank you for posting this Anthony. Perhaps it is biased, honestly I haven't seen a study that ISN"T biased. But the truth of the matter is that abortion often does either aggravate PTS into PTSD or can cause it's own symptoms of PTS or PTSD. The first time I ended up in the hospital for depression and anxiety was the EXACT date I was supposed to deliver a baby I had aborted. I had forgotten about the due date. I pretty much forgot about the abortion. I didn't think I was effected by it. In fact, I became a strong supporter of the pro choice movement. So from personal experience, I have to say there is SOME accuracy to this study.
  14. 2quilt

    2quilt New Member

    I personally think that the OP article author was biased against abortion. I would have had PTSD from having the child! Some people shd not have children and I am one of them!
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  15. Tessa

    Tessa VIP Member Premium Member

    Sorry anthony
    Please remove my post.
    Tessa
  16. Heather

    Heather VIP Member Premium Member

    I have a story very similar to Ambience's about 8 years ago I found out that I was pregnant. I was already broken up with my boyfriend and when I told him he immediately wanted me to have an abortion. When I told my mother she was furious and also wanted me to have an abortion, practiacly demanded me to have one. I felt backed into a corner, like I had no other choice and I reluctantly agreed. It really was like a bad after school special. When we got to the abortion clinic there were protesters out front screaming and holding signs that showed pictures of mutilated babies - it was awful. I remember walking into the room and doctor doing the ultra-sound and stating I was 10 weeks pregnant. I always felt as if it was a boy. I don't know why I just had this feeling. I began to shake and cry hysterically as he began to begin and they asked me if I wanted to change my mind but I shook my head no. After it was over, I was wheeled to the recovery room with the other patients and I was still hysterical. The nurse said I could cry all I wanted but that I needed to calm down because my blood pressure was through the roof.

    After we left the clinic my boyfriend dropped me at home. My was waiting for me with my niece and we went out to lunch and then shopping at the mall. I just had an ABORTION. My baby was in some bio-hazard bag in the trash and I was shopping at the mall. Who does that!?! We never talked about. It was like it never happened. That's how things are dealt with in my family. You act like they don't exist. You ignore it and hope it goes away. I just killed my baby....and I was at cracker barrel eating a hamburger. I walk through the door and the first thing my mother says to me is ,"you want to go get some lunch?" How f&$ked up is that? Afterwards I had such a hard time dealing with what I did. I had trouble sleeping, I couldn't eat and I was crying all the time. The worse time came was when I would have delivered the baby....I really struggled then my emotions were all over the place. I recently told my therapist about this and he asked me if I had forgiven myself. I didn't know how to answer that question. I'm still pro choice that hasn't changeed. I will NEVER have another abortion.
  17. BloomInWinter

    BloomInWinter Meeting My True Self Staff Member Premium Member

    This thread is very triggering for me. The 'science' behind these stigmatizing, biased 'articles' is of little benefit to fixing the issues that create the conditions likely to result in PTSD on all sides of this issue. There are so many logical fallacies here...as if we knew the rate of PTSD in women before? As if it was even studied before? As if it was PROPERLY DIAGNOSED BEFORE? As if women were given treatment before? As if it's DUE to abortion ...instead of the PTSD from being a pregnant woman in a terribly hostile culture that labels, blames, shames you for getting an abortion or blames, shames, and labels you for being a poor &/or unsupported mother while at the same time denying access to safe, affordable birth control? This article sheds NO light on causation.

    I'm grateful for people who speak out on both sides of this issue. I fault NO woman for making this difficult decision one way or the other...both can result in PTSD. I believe NO PERSON has the right to judge any woman on this issue.

    I have had to deal with this issue, and it truly is not about good v. bad to me. It's a million painful shades of grey...and blood red.

    I was a child caught in a fight between the pro-life crowd vs. some really poor decision makers in charge of our school - pushing their own 'morality' agenda against unwed teachers. Suffice to say, part of it was greatly sensationalized - and included a made-for-tv movie, articles in tabloids, etc., an article in major women's magazines, and I was one of the children who ended up testifying against her in US District Court. I came out of it broken. Two of my peers who testified died within weeks of each other this summer. Just being in that issue as a child = 'adverse childhood event'. Yeah, good times.

    It destroyed my family, caused me lifelong amnesia of my junior high years (until recently, lucky me), helped bankrupt my family, destroyed my high school years...We lost everything. Yet, I was one of the lucky kids - since my father was on the school board, she did far less to me than she did to others. UGH. Was going to tell this story but am getting too triggered.

    I've had to deal with neglected, abused and murdered children as a paramedic. Some of my PTSD is from that. The life of an unwanted child is a PTSD $@#!! all it's own, and the paramedics, firefighters, and police officers who regularly go into these homes know just what hell on earth is.

    I've had to deal with women mutilated by surgeries gone bad, reactions to birth control meds, rapes, attempts at self-abortion, women beaten by boyfriends & husbands because they became pregnant. If these women, who were unsafe to be pregnant, had the option of a safe, private, legal abortion...what PTSD might have been avoided in these lives?

    I've held the hand of a teenager as her parents told her she was going to hell and they hated her - because she had a baby.

    I've dealt with a pregnant teen dealing with carrying her father's baby. UGH. Can't go there either. Sheesh.

    ...and I've helped with the prelim autopsy of a beautiful full term baby boy murdered shortly after his death. A young woman, from a fundamentalist family, so scared & desperate that she convinced herself that she couldn't possibly be pregnant - delivered this child alone, with no assistance nor support, then wrapped him in a sheet and suffocated him. UGH...can't face the rest of this mem...see, PTSD plays into this on all levels.

    I was on the trauma team that worked for hours trying to save a young woman - who committed suicide after the father of her baby completely rejected her. It was an awful, painful, bloody horrible death. Then, I had to deal with her broken father...ugh. Can't go there either.

    I took a woman bleeding to death from a uterine cyst to a hospital over 1 1/2 hours away because, thanks to the pro-life agenda, none of our doctors in town that weekend had the training/skills to do the type of D & C she needed to save her. She was screaming and in terrible pain the entire trip - over Illinois roads.

    Yes, when I hear that doctors are prevented from learning these life-saving procedures just because they COULD be used for abortion...well, it's our mothers, wifes, sisters, daughters who will suffer from these skills being lost. Just how much PTSD is out there because of this?

    We paramedics have the double trauma of having to try to save these women, AND listen to ignorant jerkfaces judge them for what happened to them.

    I've had other patients lose their fertility, their uterus, their mental health because of this...and they wanted to be Mothers, just were unlucky enough to have complications while being pregnant in our area. Lucky for them that we're so 'moral'...the injustice of this makes me feel hopeless and like we women are just dirt beneath the feet of people making decisions that will never cost them THEIR life, THEIR wife, THEIR daughter.

    Most of the worst of the judging people I see standing at 'signing ceremonies' and bashing women in public are male, white, wealthy and that's the gig...the wealthy get safe 'private' nice abortions and the poor women die. ...and we paramedics see it and have to somehow still keep our opinions to ourselves and deal with both groups. That MORE of us don't get PTSD is really amazing, I think.

    This, I know for sure. Women get judged mercilessly on this issue from all sides. Where is the dialog on the million shades of grey on this issue? I feel sick when I see one side or the other use this issue to push a public policy agenda but those groups do NOTHING to support real women facing these issues.

    Until birth control is free, 100% safe and effective, and all mothers and their babies are supported so no child has to live in poverty, I support choice. If these were in place, and safe, legal, private, NON-TRAUMATIZING ABORTION was available to women, I wonder what the rates of abortion-related PTSD?

    I work hard to make sure that choice is available for all women who want one. It SHOULD be safe, legal, widely available, and rare. ...AND nobody should make it psychologically traumatizing for women, unlike what happens now.

    I support them ALL...those who decide to have the baby, those who don't...and I fight for better child support, free childcare, better medical care, public option for birth control. Because I don't have any other idea how to begin healing my own PTSD without seeking justice where I believe it needs to come from. A change in how we value (& show our values!) towards our Mothers, Wives, Sisters, Daughters, Friends.
  18. Philippa

    Philippa VIP Member

    Wow. Interesting thread.

    I have a horror story of my own that involve abortion, but I think I will leave it for my trauma diary, when I start one.

    I don't usually believe anything christian fanatics say or try and pull to make their agenda stick, but I have to say, that my troubles all started when I had my abortion. I was a totally different person before that. I don't even remember the person I was...it was so long ago now. I've gotten used to the person I became, and she's angry...all the time it seems. I've been angry for years, and like ambience, even though I am pro-choice, I know that I have had to live with some horrible consequeces and hauntings because of the choice I made...which was influenced by my parents at the time, but I also know that I wasn't ready for a child. I think it's important for women who have these after effects to remember why they chose to go through with it in the first place...because they didn't have the means or the support to give a child what a child needs.

    I may have ended up even more bitter and twisted, and took it out on my child. From reading some of the people here's posts and stories...I know that there are people out there who grew up feeling unwanted and unloved...and when I think of that, I know I made the right choice for the child, as well as for me.

    to conclude, I think it's is highly likely that abortion does cause PTSD, and clinical depression as well, if the woman is constantly berating herself with thoughts that she is bad for going through with it.

    I don't think I need to be shown a study to know that the process of having a foetus aborted is traumatic, whether you are awake or asleep. In my case, there were no anaesthetics stocked where I went for mine, so I was 100%awake for the whole horrible thing!
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  19. anthony

    anthony MyPTSD Admin Staff Member Premium Member

    Getting an abortion by choice would not warrant under the diagnostic criteria for a PTSD diagnosis. There would have to be other trauma that fits abnormally traumatic, as a chosen abortion does not fit abnormal trauma. There are caveats to this though, and every case would have to be assessed individually as to circumstances in order to be defined as abnormally traumatic for a PTSD diagnosis.

    It is only therapists and few physicians who water down abnormally traumatic to fit things, which they typically mistake telling someone they have PTSD instead of PTS.
  20. Philippa

    Philippa VIP Member

    How bout choosing to have an abortion and being told you were actually 4 months pregnant instead of 7 weeks, and then not given any anaesthesia during the procedure? I think that warrants severe traum, even if I did choose to go ahead with it. They told me the gas would work, it didn't. I was awake and felt everything for the whole 40 minute procedure...and it definately traumatized me!
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  21. anthony

    anthony MyPTSD Admin Staff Member Premium Member

    3rd sentence, first paragraph... Same response.
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  22. Philippa

    Philippa VIP Member

    Gotcha! It's kinda embarrassing, but I didn't know what caveats meant:oops:...and I was too lazy to look it up:D

    Thanks.
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  23. Xibalba

    Xibalba New Member

    The giveaway to the bias was when they referred to an "abortion industry."

    The article also leaves out a tremendously significant factual data point: South Africa (where the study was conducted) has the WORST rate of female rape per capita on the entire planet (link to data). Perhaps the abortions are the results of rape, and the RAPE is the source of the PTSD, not the abortion.

    If we look at world abortion rates, Greenland tops the list at 51%, with South Africa at 7.7%. This means that a greater percentage of people in Greenland have abortions than in South Africa, but the number of rapes in Greenland is so insignificant (statistically, not ethically), that it is not even measured. (One report showed 44 in a given year, compared with South Africa's 52,000.) Of course, South Africa has many, many more people than Greenland, but a more accurate study would analyze women from across various countries with differing abortion rates vs. rape statistics.

    Interesting aside: the US tops South Africa in total number of rapes (2nd per capita), and has a higher reported abortion rate. A US study along the same lines would be worthwhile.

    What this means, in short, is that the source of the pregnancy must be considered in any abortion study of statistical seriousness.
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  24. anthony

    anthony MyPTSD Admin Staff Member Premium Member

    Please also remember, this was posted in 2008 here.

    The only problem with statistics is that some countries are simply not reported, ie. Africa reported incidents are lower than actual incidents, where the US, more incidents are reported than not reported, yet still a significant proportion goes unreported. The only way these statistics get reported are through the medical system, whether hospital or mental health. Some countries, ie. Africa, has little real reporting measures in place due to the majority of poverty.

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