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I'm honestly curious, because you've had the chance to know people in these groups as people. What do you think about us taking in refugees, and refugees in general and what to you think about gay rights?

Refugees: About half the male Muslim refugees were animals and the other half were completely cool. I believe the difference between the two was education. The one who spoke multiple languages and had more varied experience were okay with women's rights and were able to adapt to our culture. The ones who were animals would actively pretend to have Western values, so it was hard to tell there was a problem at first. But I noticed that the other male refugees would find them distasteful. The African Christians (we had a lot of them because Christians are persecuted in many African countries) and Asian Hindus and Christians (also religiously/culturally persecuted) were offended at some of the Muslim men treating women "like dogs" and would not let their kids play together and they wouldn't be around them if they could help it.

Another problem with refugees is that they do not get PTSD counseling. PTSD is a more Western problem, but the Africans seemed to have it as well. The Africans, at least from Ethiopian and Kenya areas, did sometimes have PTSD from being in Walking Dead-type war zones, like horrific, horrific stuff. One of the Iraqi men also had strong PTSD from being forced to participate in sexual violence. He eventually married an Asian over here and they had a family, so he was a strange success story. Another of our guys with it never got any better and eventually killed a couple people at his former workplace. People with Eastern cultures have a spiritual thing that happens instead of PTSD, I guess, which I saw a couple of times. The person can look nuts in one way or another- like they might have visions or fits? They have to have the support of their community and eventually whatever is happening to them can lessen. It's not so much something our medicine can help with, but if we had a social worker from within each community to deal specifically with that, that would be helpful.

Gay rights: I'm not really sure what you're asking. Like what do I think about civil rights? Socially, my opinion is that people should strive to keep their business to themselves, you know, unless they need help or something. You can't ask people to call you by a strange pronoun or whatever. I don't like it when people call me by a nickname, but it's unreasonable for me to get offended if they do. But of course people have the right to partner up with whoever they want, as long as that person is over 18 and consenting. My gay friends have all been no different than me. I feel sorry for them that they have less options for having children. I'm happy that they now have equal marriage options. I have not met many true transgender people and those I have met (a couple) were completely regular people, living regular lives. These queer identity young people- I can't say I am too into that. I think that's stupid. I also think it's stupid when people play at being gay because it's trendy or they're figuring themselves out. That's pretty disrespectful to people who really are gay and don't get to go back to the mainstream when it's convenient.
 
I have no idea where @Gamera3000 stands on Trump now, but yes, it sounds like we most definitely voted differently in the last election. And, that's something that continues to amaze me, in a lot of ways. For quite some time now (pre-Trump) I've found, when I talk to people who self identify as "conservative" we really agree on a lot of things. Makes me think if our alleged representatives were really representing the average person in their district, there's a lot of room for problem solving. Most regular people have a lot in common, it's the party faithful who seem to have a vested interest in division. I'm pretty sure they don't actually want us to talk to each other or, heaven forbid, listen to each other.
 
Most regular people have a lot in common, it's the party faithful who seem to have a vested interest in division. I'm pretty sure they don't actually want us to talk to each other or, heaven forbid, listen to each other.
This is thought provoking. I'd like to say that I have tried to convey my adherence to principles, moral and ethical, over party, though I suppose it's to which principles one believes are moral or ethical (and scientific, for me), that determines political leaning. Also, it seemed fairly clear where @Gamera3000 stands on Trump presently, but I of course could be mistaken. That said, I have noted your listening ability and admire it.
 
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Maybe someone can tell me what camp I "fit" into? Just for shits & giggles. I won't take it personal, whatever you call me.

Let's see I think gays...
  • Should be allowed to serve in the military.
  • Get married
  • Have kids
I am pro 2nd ammendment. Though I do believe there is some work needed in preventing gun violence. But no, I don't know what.
That being said, I don't own a gun, nor do I plan to own one in the foreseeable future. I don't think they are good for home defence. But I don't see why a responsible adult should not be allowed to own one if they choose to.
While I can't legally carry a firearm in Canada, you would be amazed at what you can legally aquire with a clean criminal record and enough patience, money and time.
Up to and including semi auto AR-15 rifles. I mention that because I don't want anyone thinking that my idea of a gun in Canada, being limited to a .22 pop gun. We have real guns up here too. .38 and .45 handguns are also available. They are just a bigger pain in the ass to get your hands on. I'm not living in a place where the guns are tiny. Body armour is also controlled. It's not easy to get passive protection either. Or legal to wear it without a permit. (Stupidest law we didn't get to vote for)


I believe in free speech. Even if it's ugly hateful speech.
I don't think you can police that. So I'd rather a racist or sexist bigot be allowed to run their big mouth, so I can choose to not associate with that person.

I don't care what colour you are, gender you are, were or want to be. You don't deserve lesser or better treatment than anyone else. Though I do agree with @Gamera3000 that making me guess your 'pronoun' is rude.

Like I said at the start of the post. Call me what you will. It can't be worse than what an ex called me when I told her I would vote NDP.
She called me a Nazi.... yup.
Because NDP is the Canadian socialist party. Therefore because some bohemian corporal with a stupid mustache started a socialist government, everyone who thinks that socialism might not be so bad, must be a goofstepping nazi. *Shakes head* One day, they will figure out the war is over. One day, please god, one day...
Like I said, Ex... Lol!

But I am curious for an honest opinion. I won't take it personal.
 
I'd like to say that I have tried to convey my adherence to principles, moral and ethical, over party,
First, I think you're pretty much in the group I think of as "regular people". But, the whole party thing is complicated. It's my perception that what happens is there are people who really want us divided. So they encourage us to have knee jerk reactions, with no actual listening. And I think it works in both directions. It's easy, for those of us who don't like him, to hear that someone voted for Trump and assume we disagree with them on everything and our values are nothing alike, etc. Once you get people tending to think that way, it's easy to encourage it.

One of my all time best friends was a self described conservative. We liked debate and discussion and believe me, we thrashed through nearly every topic imaginable. It was interesting, to both of us, to find, in the end, our basic values were the same. We just tended to pick a different route to solutions to problems. And, we both tended to make assumptions that were different. We were actually good for each other because we didn't let each other get away with those assumptions. That's kind of the way I wish the whole country worked. :(

When you read through @Gamera3000 's post, I'll bet you don't have a major problem with most of it. Stuff like "strange pronouns"? I think, taking a different view of that kind of thing is the LEAST of our worries these days. To me, that sounds like the writing of a reasonable, thoughtful, compassionate person, who I probably disagree with on a few things. Still, I'd bet we could sit down and come up with some workable ideas for a health care plan.

But, it really seems to me that the parties have gotten to where this is about "winning", not governing and there have to be good guys and bad guys.

@Neverthesame , if we're talking US politics, I need more information. Is health care a right or a responsibility? In other words, should everyone have access to it, regardless of their income, or should poor folk just quietly die or get more money, either way, it's their own problem. (What ever group you're in, it's probably the same one I'm in. I listen to the CBC a lot and kind of suspect I'd vote NDP a lot.)
 
@scout86 I knew that I forgetting something important.

Heathcare.
I am in favor of what we use here in Alberta. I would like it to work better than it does. Though I feel it has potential.
We have a semi-private system here. Where everyone has access to whatever is necessary by the public healthcare system. If you are in a hurry, or want something elective done. Then you can pay for it.

I just wish it worked better than it does. As it has potential to serve both income levels.

Edit: Dental is not covered by public health care though. It would be nice if it was, but it's not.
 
You sounds pretty liberal to me. :D (Do you believe in tax breaks for the rich, on the theory that they will let their extra income "trickle down" to the rest of us?)
 
It's my perception that what happens is there are people who really want us divided.
But this is something I don't necessarily agree with. And I had a problem with much of what Gammera was saying, and felt it to be passive- aggressively expressed which instantly raises red flags for me. Wording and timing are both important. And I'm sorry, I do think it a value gap between someone who voted for him (particularly with someone who claims to be so, so educated), and someone who did not. We've seen countless, blatant examples which have put this country into a precarious national and international position. And, I mention it *yet again*, the racism he implicitly encourages is being overlooked here (again, so many concrete examples) constitutes a full stop for me.
 
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