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I am hoping that it is ok to write about this in this thread. I have no desire to cause distress but I am struggling with news reports that say that children are being separated from their parents when they present themselves at the United States border seeking asylum. I fear for these children, many of whom have been "lost" in the disorganized ICE system. It grieves me to see this being done in my country and it is being covered less than TV stars tweets! I am praying that this human rights violation stops.

When I was 22 months old I was taken from the only parents I knew and returned to my biological mother and her new boyfriend. I do not remember much of this time but have painted it. I paint from a deeply unconcious place and often can access memories that I cannot otherwise access. Being taken from the safety of my soon to be adoptive parents (see introduction for more detail) was extremely traumatizing and it went downhill from there.

I have dealt with all manner of abuse memories over the years in therapy but the "kidnapping" was by far the worst. I almost lost my self. I fear that these children are in grave danger.

Your thoughts are welcome.
 
I’ve been quite concerned about what was popping up in my social media about these children the past few days. The attachment disruption alone...

I found this article in the New York Times to be interesting: Did The Trump Administration Seperate Immigrant Children From Their Parents And Lose Them?

To quote the article, “No.”

What happened was these kids in particular, the 1,500 in recent news, crossed the border alone, were sponsored by vetted adults once in the country, and the sponsor didn’t return a survey call later on.

Not quite what I initially thought was happening.

But, when kids are traveling into a new country alone - that is a sign of great trouble and strife, and extreme vulnerability to all kinds of trauma. It’s horrifying.

When parents are detained for illegal entry, kids are taken from them. This is very worrisome. This article explains why this is done: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/us/immigrants-family-separation.html

Government custody of immigrant children instead of parent custody is a horrible idea.
 
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I also believe we owe the World an apology for electing such food
:wideeyed: What??! Oh God! Don't put any part of that anywhere near your mouth. He's not edible. :yuck:

Probably doesn't even make a decent fertiliser.
$5 says, they have to paint his plot green after he kicks the bucket. :roflmao::roflmao::hilarious:

@Milo's papa I'm just teasing.

Seriously though, considering what we just elected in Ontario, we're going to be making our own apologies soon enough...
Ford?... Good Lord.... :bag:
 
I read and re-read the article and decided to go through it with you.

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This is an additional punitive measure the administration is imposing on parents in an effort to frighten Central Americans, to discourage them from seeking asylum,” said Reuben Cahn, executive director of the Federal Defenders of San Diego, who is representing several of the caravan migrants.

(Note: This is not true. The United States Government is NOT trying to discourage immigrants from applying for asylum as the process to apply for asylum is sufficient in and of itself to weed out those that do not qualify for asylum. The government is only trying to discourage illegal immigration.
Is the administration deliberately breaking up families?

Administration officials say the aim is to protect the border and uphold the law through new measures to deter illegal immigration.
(Note: This is the United States government doing it's job, as it is obligated to do, to protect Americans!)
Are the children suffering adverse impacts?
(Note: Then don’t bring the children here illegally and then blame the United States government for doing it’s job!)

... minors were fraudulently plucked from shelters by men who posed as friends or family, promised to provide them shelter and transport them to their immigration court hearings, then made them work...

(Note: THAT is human trafficking, which is illegal and inhumane, but since it’s committed by “immigrants” do you guys suggest that we allow it?)

This is rock solid proof that the United States Government is doing it's legally obligated responsibility to protect Americans and American interests inside the United States of America. If you are American and dispute this, then write your congressperson and/or senator and voice your concerns there. However, if you are not American...if you are from another country, and you dispute this, too bad. Go complain about America's immigration policies to your country's leaders instead.
 
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FYI- During a news briefing White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked by reporter Jim Acosta, “Where does it say in the Bible that it’s moral to take children away from their mothers?”, referencing Attorney General Jeff Sessions claim that the Bible calls on people to follow the law.

Ms. Sanders replied, “I’m not aware of the Attorney General’s comments or what he would be referencing. I can say that it is very Biblical to enforce the law. That is actually repeated a number of times throughout the Bible....” and “...the separation of alien families is the product of the same legal loopholes that Democrats refuse to close, and these laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade. The President is simply enforcing them.”

Ms. Sanders reaffirmed “It doesn’t have to be the law, and the President has actually called on Democrats in Congress to fix those loopholes. The Democrats have failed to come to the table, failed to help this President close these loopholes and fix this problem. We don’t want this to be a problem; the President has tried to address it a number of occasions; we’ve laid out a proposal and Democrats simply refuse to do their job and fix the problem.”


So please remember this the next time you want to blame someone. Do your research, then blame someone. Blaming the wrong people because you can't do your research blows a hole in your credibility.

Reference: White House News Briefing, June 14th 2018. Can be found at Youtube, video v=07Sjn6PT5DM.
 
FYI- During a news briefing White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked by reporter...
Umm. Sorry but ms Sanders was not correct. She often is not correct. Taking the children from their parents is not a law it is a new policy announced by Jeff Sessions as such, intended according to Sessions to deter people from crossing the border illegally or from requesting asylum which is legal. See Sessions statement regarding this NEW POLICY by the Trump Administration on May 7,2018. Just Google Sessions on immigration on that day.

It is true that abducting peoples children is a deterrent. So is murder or threatening violence a deterrent. It also happens to be heinous and immoral but yes it does deter.

The solution offered and referred to for the democrats to stop this cruel treatment that has been condemned by the United Nations is to sign off on a bill that allocates 25 billion$ for a border wall . The bill includes possibly returning to the holding of families together. In my opinion the bill is coercive to say the least.

In the meantime children are being traumatized and will suffer a lifetime of pain...as I and many on this site have. This disturbs me.
 
I've been feeling like "we, the people" owe an apology to a bunch of our long time allies. :(

Since our government won't do it, I've been writing apologetic messages to all my foreign friends, particularly at moments of especially gross behavior by this president.

With this horrendous border thing going on, I am at a loss of what to say. We are violating not only international law, but our own U.S. asylum law as well. No wonder the U.N. Human Rights Council condemned us -- us, the U.S., who helped form the U.N. after WWII. I am beyond ashamed for my fellow citizens whose vote put this atrocity into motion.

Oh, and word has it that now we are going to leave the U.N. Human Rights Council. Go figure. I suppose that will make the haters, but no one else, happy.
 
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