Another Deception....

[tigrou465]

Again and again, It seem the last 2 moths have been a long road of deception for me... Today I went for my acuponcture treatment. I have had a few treatment in order to get the energy circuling in my body so the meds can work better. My acuponcture therapist said to me that I was a "hard case" an that acuponcture doesn't seem to work. He said I could still go to see him but not to expect too much out of a treatment :( He said he did not want me to spent money for treatment that won't bring result. I'm so feed up of trying. Actually I'm tired, tired of this life, tired to fight against depression, ptsd. All I want it to have peace and enjoy life but it seem too much to ask apprerently. Tonignt I don't believe in anything, in my therapist, my doctors...Back to square one again ... :(:confused:I wish my gardian angle would guide me through the lite cause I'm so very tired..How will I get through another week like that? I know some people are also in bad shape, worse than me but still I feel so drain. Sorry .

 

[KP the nut]

((((Tigrou465)))) We are here. Don't give up. Today is a bad day for me. Tearful, drained, tired feel like I don't want to go on. BUT we have to.
Hang in. maybe your acupunctorist is wrong and it is his/her method. I had a T once who said I was wrong for T, no he was wrong.
Hard I know but try to be strong.
KP

 

[Philippa]

Why do I always find places like this forum when I'm doing better. I could've really used this place when I was going through the same thing as you tigrou...it did improve for me, with persistence and determination.

I know you don't feel like it...but keep going!

 

[curiouser]

Oh I'm so sorry Tigrou465, that must be so frustrating and hurtful to hear. I agree with KP, not all acupuncturist are created equal, maybe there's a better one out there for you. Did your acupuncturist give a specific reason as to why you were considered a "hard case" and it didn't work with you?

The one thing that comes to my mind is Chronic Reverse Polarity, it's possible that this could explain why the acupuncture isn't working for you. Like magnets, if there is sufficient stress on the body, our electrical system is
effected and polarities in the body may reverse. This is what may happen with fears, trauma, guilt, shame, and anger.

A healthy body will correct this reversal quickly in most cases, although often times the stressful emotional
memory can remain deep in our cells, triggering a reversal again and again. If the stress continues over a long period of time or is particularly severe, our body may not be able to correct the problem, and this reversed polarity or
"switching" for an extended time, becomes a new normal way of acting for the body, and Chronic Reversed Polarity may occur and your energy system flows in the reverse direction. In a reversed state the body may have a hard time healing as the medians are not as they should be. This is also a reason for why EFT may not work at times, it is possible to correct this with some simple exercises if it's needed. I've actually used the reversal exercises myself when I was experiencing a lot of resistance to do some EFT work to get better, and was really surprised at the difference I felt after wards.

Supposed Possible Symptoms of CRP:

1. Any chronic health problem, including but not limited to diabetes,
cancer or auto-immune diseases.
2. Chronic stress and the inability to relax.
3. Depression
4. Anxiety
5. Headaches
6. Obsessive thoughts
7. Difficulty concentrating
8. Feeling "Foggy minded"
9. Poor short term memory
10. Insomnia
11. Fibromyalgia
12. Attention Deficit Disorder ADD
13. Addictions
14. Allergies

No matter what happens or what you believe, I hope you are able to find some peace and healing with your issues in the future. (((hugs)))

 

[AdamAnt]

it is possible to correct this with some simple exercises if it's needed. I've actually used the reversal exercises myself when I was experiencing a lot of resistance to do some EFT work to get better, and was really surprised at the difference I felt after wards.

Could you tell us where to best find info on the reversal exercises Curiouser? I'm...err..curious! :)

 

[curiouser]

Adam, LOL well of course you are. ;)

Sure, I'd be happy to share, I hope this is relevant enough to the thread to post, here is the one I use
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In EFT you already deal with polarity reversal in the setup part, when you tap on the karate chop point or rub the sore spot while you say your setup phrase out loud. They say that Polarity Reversal is present about 40% of the time when doing EFT. It's also important that if you do more than one round of EFT on the same thing that you include the word still, in the setup phrase on the additional rounds.

Ex: 1st Round
"Even though I am so angry and upset with myself for being so fearful and weak…. I want to remember that this negative talk about myself is even further constricting my energy. It comes from a place in me that wants me to be better, and somehow it got the idea that beating myself up will make me improve. I invite myself to notice that beating myself up has NEVER made me better. It just makes me feel worse."

2nd Round
"Even though I am still so angry and upset with myself for being so fearful and weak…. I want to remember that this negative talk about myself is even further constricting my energy. It comes from a place in me that wants me to be better, and somehow it got the idea that beating myself up will make me improve. I invite myself to notice that beating myself up has NEVER made me better. It just makes me feel worse."

The setup phrase above is from Rue Hass, an EFT Master Practitioner. Oh and I meant to say meridians in my post above, but some how I typed medians instead. LOL.

 

[AdamAnt]

The one thing that comes to my mind is Chronic Reverse Polarity, it's possible that this could explain why the acupuncture isn't working for you. Like magnets, if there is sufficient stress on the body, our electrical system is
effected and polarities in the body may reverse.

Just to clarify...can doing this harm a healthy system or reverse polarity in an unhealthy way?

 

[Deleted member 5760]

AdamAnt - a lot of people make EFT sound a lot more new age and 'ooooh la la' than it actually is. It's really quite simple. In fact it's so simple you don't even need to 'tap' to do it.

Basically - try this - move your left hand around in a circle whilst moving your right hand up and down.... extremely easy on an even keel. But without balance we get 'crossed wires' (ie - note how both hands can easily wind up doing the same thing if you're not concentrating?)

All this talk about energy and pressure points and blah blah, whilst it may be correct, EFT is much more simple than that. What happens is this - let's say you think about something you don't like and at the same time you tap. Your brain does two things at once. Concentrating on tapping distracts the brain from 'overly' thinking about the 'thing'.

It's that simple. Does that make sense?

 

[Deleted member 5760]

To use another example - try this :
Use your dominant hand to write down what you feel - comes very easily with the 'negative feeling'

Now try writing your thought with your less dominant hand - ie: if you are right handed write it with your left hand. You will find very quickly that you are trying so hard to actually write with that hand that the negative feeling you were expressing gives way to the concentration it takes to use your less dominant hand to simply write. Ie - the physical motion takes over the negative thought. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

 

[curiouser]

That's a good question Adam, the answer is no, it supposed to work like a reset button, so it will only set your energy system in the correct direct no matter which way the energy was flowing before. According to EFT experts we go in and out of the reversed state all the time from different things. I think polarity reversal may only matter if you were working on something that deals with your bodies energy system like using EFT, acupressure, or acupuncture trying to make changes and get results.

Superjen, while their are elements that may seem as a distraction when using EFT, I think there is more to it than that. If EFT were nothing more than a simple distraction, I'm not sure people would be able to experience the long lasting and permanent results they have noticed in research studies. That may be one of the reasons why you use a SUDS level with it, like you do with EMDR.

I can bring up a traumatic memory now, without doing any EFT before or tapping or anything type of distraction, focus on it intently, and cannot bring up any bad feelings or emotions from it, it feels like I'm just remembering something mundane and unimportant, I feel calm every time. These emotional changes have remained the same for the last nine months for me with no relapse as of yet.

When the bodies energy system experiences a disruption from traumatic events or memories, it causing negative emotions, which can sometimes lead to physical manifestations with in the body. Acupuncture is the art of stimulating the meridian points on the bodies electrical system to create and promote healing, which studies have proved happens. EFT is along the same principal, but by tapping instead of using needles to stimulate the meridians while you focus on the negative memory, event, feeling, thought, belief, physical issue, etc. to balance out the disruption its caused within the bodies energy system. A disruption in the bodies energy system is not the same as a polarity reversal, they are two different things.

Some people speculate that EFT is nothing more than a placebo effect, and maybe it is, I'm not really sure, all I know are the experiences I've personally had using it, and those others have shared with me. I was skeptical when I was first introduced to it, I didn't even have a good experience with it the first time around with the therapist I was seeing at the time. It wasn't till I got re interested in it later, did my own research on it, that I actually started getting results using it.

Remember this all comes from Eastern Medicine, which is a very different way of thinking than traditional Western medicine. I think it's healthy and good to have questions and skepticism when taking an interest in this type of alternative healing.

 

[Deleted member 5760]

curiouser,

I'm an extremely open minded person and have lived in Asia so I'm certainly familiar with Eastern techniques.

I suppose to better explain the principle of EFT as explained to me by a professional psych is this -

Basically - whilst you do the physical 'tap' (doesn't matter where) you replace a negative thought with a positive - as you explained above. Therefore, the next time you tap the body remembers and associates the 'tap' with the positive thought. It's like training the mind to follow a more positive thought process through a physical stimuli. Very simple. Probably the most simple form of therapy out there. But I suppose I've always taken a stance on not favouring one form of therapy over another constantly - as we are all different. I'm with you on the fact that if it works for you - do it.

 

[curiouser]

whilst you do the physical 'tap' (doesn't matter where)

Superjen, I hope you don't take offense, but I respectfully disagree with your professional psych on this, I think where you tap does matter.

Acupuncture meridian points are where the energy channels rise close to the surface of the skin and can be stimulated by touch or a needle. There are at least 400 known acupuncture meridian points that exist on the body. There are 12 main acupuncture meridian points, six of which are yin, and six that are yang and numerous minor ones, which form a network of energy channels throughout the body. Each meridian point is related to, and named after, an organ or function, the main 12 ones are: the lung, kidney, liver, gallbladder, stomach, spleen, heart, small intestine, large intestine, urinary bladder, san jiao (also know as the triple heater or warmer) and the pericardium.
It’s based off the mind/body connection. For example, when we get scared it’s usually more than just an emotional feeling, physical feelings and reactions are present too, maybe you feel something in your stomach or you start to sweat, hair stands up on end etc. There is a connection between the mind and the body, which the energy system is part of.

With EFT, the traumatic event or memory disrupts the energy system, which then creates negatives feelings, which if left in the energy system long enough can start to manifest into physical issues. When you tap on the negative, you release the stored negative energy that is causing the disruption which then brings the energy system back in balance, thus healing emotional and physical issues. Replacing the negative with the positive by tapping in the positive is an option, but is not necessary.

Because you’re tapping on the meridian points, which relate to organs and functions in the body, you are then able to use EFT for not only emotional issues, but physical issues as well. This is one of the largest differences between EFT therapy and EMDR therapy.

The meridian points you tap on with EFT should be one of each of the main 12 points so the body is fully balanced during each round of EFT.

Example of some of the common EFT points you tap on:

EB (Eyebrow Point) - This point is located on the dominant side at the beginning of the eyebrow, just up and over from the bridge of the nose. It is a Urinary Bladder Meridian Point, it releases trauma, hurt, sadness, restlessness, frustration, impatience, and dread, and allows peace and emotional healing.

SE (Side of Eye Point) - Located on the dominant side at the end of the eyebrow, this point falls on the boney protrusion at the leading edge of the temple. It is a Gall Bladder Meridian Point, it releases rage, anger, resentment, fear of change and muddled thinking and allows clarity and compassion

UE (Under Eye Point) - Located on the bone underneath the eye, directly under the pupil. It is a Stomach Meridian Point, it releases fear, anxiety, emptiness, worry, nervousness and disappointment and allows contentment, calmness, and feeling safe.

CB (Collar Bone Point) - Just below the knob of the collarbone and next to the depression below the Adam 's apple. It is a Kidney Meridian Point responsible for Adrenal Gland Function, it releases feeling stuck, indecision, worry, and general stress and allows ease in moving forward, confidence, and clarity.