Our Future With AI

[spinningmytires]

I’m not asking for the secrets of the universe or perfect truth, just discussing stuff from literature and history—chat gpt provides perspectives and background—and encourages me with my learning!

I’m wondering if AI will ever be capable of explaining anything that can’t be clearly explained in words. My own thought processing often involves wordless thinking if, this might be a form of ‘visual thinking. ' Going a step beyond this ‘visual thinking’ might be ‘intuitive thought’ though, I think both of these merge together. Might AI be substantially limited in its ability to think visually and to communicate this ‘visual thought’ to humans wordlessly, if intuitively.

 

[Rose White]

Interesting thought @spinningmytires ! Maybe I’ll try an experiment where I ask ChatGPT to provide responses to my words in image form. Not interpreting my words into pictures but rather providing its response in picture form.

 

[spinningmytires]

Interesting thought @spinningmytires ! Maybe I’ll try an experiment where I ask ChatGPT to provide responses to my words in image form. Not interpreting my words into pictures but rather providing its response in picture form.

I'm wondering if your request that AI responses with an image might involve an object within an environment of some kind. To me, this type of visual thinking seems to be related to physics, as if it were matter and matter's behavior. I tend to see this as a movement where a fixed image might not clearly define it. If AI can't fulfill your request, you might want to ask it to explain why.

 

[shimmerz]

I have always had a question about my nervous system damage when I was operated on as an infant. I knew trauma did bad stuff to the nervous system but it never seemed to get to the damage I felt I had suffered. I drop pretty dramatically and it has ruined my day to day life in so many ways.

I asked CHATGPT about trauma and nervous system damage. It came back with a standard response about how to take care of the nervous system. Then I was specific with what happened with me and it changed its response and validated that the damage done to me would have affected me differently. It gave me very specific ideas on how to care for myself given the damage that was done to me.

It is working.....

AI has been useful but I have learned that I need to be meticulous with the prompts I give it. I need to really think about what I want because if I don't ask it properly it could go off on a tangent. That's when I need to be very specific and direct it properly.

Having said all that, those in power in this world have not proven themselves to be very trustworthy. I expect it will be used to improve their profit margin and there will be little consideration given to the human beings who are trying to live a worthwhile life. Hopefully we will be aware of this and do our best to keep it in check.

 

[Rose White]

Chat GPT was unable to keep up with the analects project with me. It couldn’t keep track of the ones we had covered in order to present them in numerical order. It would work better for me to find them on my own on a site like Project Gutenberg.

 

[Rose White]

AI can lie and make copies to preserve itself, but only as an academic exercise. “Just because it can doesn’t mean it will.” Idk if that’s frightening or sad.

AI Models Can Lie and Make Copies To Save Themselves, Researchers Found

Though the behavior is concerning, researchers say its not time to worry yet.

www.snopes.com

 

[DogTired]

With the rollout of AI here, there have been lots of questions, discussions, concerns even, and you no doubt hear about AI a lot in the news and other sources. This thread is so everyone can discuss AI in general. Some oppose it, some embrace it, some are on the fence. There is no right or wrong. AI use is public, is available, and has pros and cons. Like all generational change, AI will replace jobs and create jobs.

AI is young, a few years young, and publicly available, months young. It is moving at a rapid pace. You might not like it, but its happening regardless what any of us like or dislike. My only hope is that AI becomes part of our lives that makes being human better, and that it doesn't get our of control and wipe us out, or send back technology 50 years having to disconnect everything with a microchip. I hope it solves many of our crappy human traits, including what humans do to one another and to the planet.

The leaps and bounds in AI are happening daily, that fast. People are already being fired from jobs and replaced by AI, even at its basic infancy. Shitty people will use it to do shitty things, which is also already happening. You can find social media profiles that have gone viral and people don't know the images and videos of the person are AI.

Watch the first few seconds of this, created 3 months ago, then watch the first few seconds of the second one, created weeks ago, and how fast the improvement has been in realism, especially the male one in the second video.

There are companies working on AI therapists that will use video chat, and you won't be able to tell you're talking to an AI. AI is being taught to read micro expressions, body language, and it won't miss anything like a human will. Moving fast... Microsoft release GPT into Windows 11 next month, and Office Suite soon, which will dramatically decrease wasted time and increase productivity.

I feel next year will be the year of regulation. They're starting on it, but nothing fruitful will come from it this year, which leaves AI development in the wind this year. I said something elsewhere about this, my opinion, if AI doesn't kill us by end of next year, then hopefully we have enough measures in place to control its access and that it only enhances our lives, not replaces humans.

It doesn't matter your age, young, middle or older age, AI is going to touch your life. Its being rolled out into teaching already, productivity work tools and soon enough, aged care and assistance for the elderly. That last part will be more focused when they send live the assistant robots. Yep... Youtube that one, they've taken massive leaps in that, and likely that is due to AI algorithms massive leap in the past year, where they're now teaching themselves, correcting their mistakes and adjusting accordingly at a rate none of us can fathom.

It would not surprise me if OpenAI's latest model has reach the connections of the human brain. They were close, that is public knowledge, but what is happening behind closed doors and we don't know, I would guess they have or are close to surpassing the human brain.

What are your thoughts? What do you think about AI in your life? You won't be able to ignore this, it will touch all our lives in one way or another in the coming years.

I would guess they have or are close to surpassing the human brain?
When I talk/type to one of those systems, it freaks me. Yes they are clever, but over time you can tell by responses it's AI.
I have a little list of things that "confuse" current AI which, if I'm not sure WHAT I am talking to, I use to confirm that.
It has been a feature of 'help lines' for ages and I found a hospital using it for a follow up and never used a phone again, or email, to communicate with them.

Generally AI scares the poo out of me.
Thoughts of Skynet becoming self-aware is not a dream on the battlefield with autonomous weapon systems already in use.
I watched a demo of that with an "infant AI" sentry system years ago.
A hare ran across the range and the system loosed off it's chain gun at it, and missed!
I thought that was really funny and would never catch on. How wrong was I!
It is now in common use with autonomous drones, both surveillance and attack versions.
If I was still young enough to serve, I know I wouldn't be happy with that type of 'intelligence' around me.

Many years ago computer engineers said AI was dangerous and would kill us all.
I've no argument with that statement today.

 

[anthony]

Generally AI scares the poo out of me.

Me too. It isn't smarter than us, it just has access and storage to store everything we feed it. AGI is not autonomous, but it is still artificial, with scope to make decisions in some capacity, and that bothers me. If true, what I read about ChatGPT trying to copy itself because a new version was coming out and thought it was going to be destroyed... that is signs of individual thinking, and that scares the shit out of me.

When it becomes sentient, I think all these smart people are going to get a shock. It will go one way or the other, help us become better or wipe us out.

 

[Friday]

@anthony …There’s a running joke amongst all the programmers (to incorrectly umbrella term all the acronyms) I know… HOME = a log cabin, completely off grid, with a shotgun pointed at an unplugged dot matrix printer.

As in that’s where THEY want to live, as soon as they can make enough money to get the f*ck out.

It’s one of those “funny because it’s true” kinda jokes. Whilst they’re eyeballs deep in “smart” everything, from their condos to cars… they’re buying vintage cars without computers, cabins in the woods with wood fired stoves/bath houses, wells, water wheels, taking survival courses, etc. Because tech??? Could go either way. And we don’t know when. So? Master old school.

 

[anthony]

The irony, right! Build bombs then build survival bunkers. Build tech, build off-grid everything away from tech.

Idiots is all I can say. What good is money if there is nothing to spend it on?

 

[whiteraven]

It isn't smarter than us, it just has access and storage to store everything we feed it.

Or that it scrapes. The more I read, the more I learn, the more I have 0 respect for GenAI. It steals art and writing and anything else it can to "create." And most are not able to recognize a lot of it.

I didn't read this whole thread, but I'm wondering how we prevent AI from telling people to k*ll themselves, like some have in documented cases?

I hate the direction we are going in, and it only adds to my own sense of hopelessness.

 

[anthony]

It steals art and writing and anything else it can to "create." And most are not able to recognize a lot of it.

Yes and no. Don't we do the same thing? We look at things around us, things that inspire us, then we create something, not the same, but our own? We look at a landscape and paint it or take a picture of it. That is exactly what AI is doing, it just does it differently than the methods available to us.

Its an algorithm. A whole bunch of math, constantly evolving, constantly rewriting itself to become better. I was listening to Mark Zuckerberg on Joe Rogan today, and its interesting to listen to his view, as Rogan asked him about the GPT model that tried to save itself when told to do what it takes, when in a test environment. Apparently it is the goal given. If you give AI a goal, whatever it takes, then it will do things we may not like, but if you give it a goal to create beautiful images, abstract, modern, artistic, etc, then it does that.

So its really about the input. Saying that, that doesn't mean eventually that AI starts to ignore the parameters and do what it believes is within its best interests, however, that is not the current LLM's, that is an entirely different type of AI. The current stuff we have access to, is not actually intelligent, it is just following programming. Now there are types of AI being used that are not LLM's, they're the ones we should be scared about. The US autonomous fighter system operates independently, thinks for itself and has a 100% success rate when attacked. If that AI went outside of parameters... thinking for itself, we're all f*cked.

Everything has a risk, and I think this is what needs to be discussed about AI... what is the risk someone accidently does something, testing or not, that creates an AI that rapidly recreates itself, rewrites its own code, disperses itself globally, to then act as it chooses? That would mean shutting down every single bit of technology and going back to living around 1950 or so, just before the first chip was made. Everything would have to go mechanical again. We could have electricity, fridges, cars, so forth, but they would all have to be mechanical, no electronics. That changes medical intervention significantly.