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  1. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    RAGE is definitely fight - in all mammals including us. FEAR is flight or freeze and focus on the direction of the threat. PANIC is freeze/cry/scan for help/get back to the den, no direct threat need be apparent - it is the threat of being alone that is the issue. These are hard wired responses...
  2. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    Yes. Memory is state dependent. So one EP might be in the middle of a very different story than another. IS in a different story. And YES these things are stored differentially. I don't know enough of the details to say "different levels" or if that is even the right metaphor. They are clearly...
  3. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    Our understanding of the world is organized as narratives, stories, "what comes next?" Thus our responses to the world are organized around and determined by the stories "we tell ourselves" or perhaps more literally that are encoded in our cells. So to develop a new response, we often need to...
  4. Eleanor

    News Touch As Nutrition (article)

    Wow, a profound article. Thank you for that. Different cultures have such different practices around touching. I remember when I lived in Morocco for a while it was a very "touchy" culture. People held hands a lot, everyone kissed and hugged upon meeting. You sit on the couch to eat, so you sit...
  5. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    I'm glad you brought up Karpman and the Drama Triangle, which I also find EXTREMELY on target. Here is the thing about the drama triangle tho - it is not, primarily, an affective disposition (which is why it is so damn frustrating to be on it.) It is a mental model, aka an interpretive...
  6. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    I'm a bit short on time tonight... but this is quick. I agree with you 100%, it is ALL physical. AND I am of the school of thought that thinks the mind is in the body, not just the brain. A goodly percentage of our neurons are in our guts after all. And our intestinal flora effect our brain...
  7. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    Actually they are ALL embodied - ANP as well. Thinking is BUILT on feeling/emotional response systems. It is just that when there is a very low level of activation it seems to us like it doesn't "feel" like anything. Kind of like how we hear - when it is "quiet" it is not really "quiet" it is...
  8. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    @Hope4Now - WOW. Congratulations on the shifting! Big big stuff! I wonder if that "feeling of lightness, a feeling of deep understanding or an insight high" (I love that, by the way "insight high" a super way to say what I mean by "epiphany" which just confuses my students!) is just what making...
  9. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    I find that people who actually USE the drugs have a much more nuanced understanding of them. And people who use them and TALK to others who use them.. get a pretty solid knowledge base. I have generally found in my life that people who self-medicate are generally very fine people. Nothing...
  10. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    Docs do not, in my experience, know much about psycho-active drugs. And as a slow metabolizer and non-standard responder myself I can report that I have met exactly one MD ever who even thinks those are "things.":bored: :eek::mad: So when I first considered ADD meds, I looked it up all over the...
  11. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    Spot on. Of course I could handle it. I could handle everything. I had to. What was the alternative? And no one else seemed to think it was so bad if it happened to me. In just those words, actually, "Oh it's not so bad..." This AM I think the injured bits have just been .. in a sulk for a...
  12. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    Sorry, this is kind of scattershot.. My take on it is a bit different. I make the distinction between primary, secondary and tertiary emotions. Primary emotions are "gut reactions" and the evolutionarily basic behaviors that they result in. RAGE and fighting, FEAR and fleeing or freezing...
  13. Eleanor

    To tell or not to tell?

    I don't know how the laws work in Canada. What I can tell you is that IF you email specific detailed reports to HR no one there can claim that they didn't know. I'd blind CC all the emails to your personal email address as well, so you have a record. If the harassment is ongoing that will...
  14. Eleanor

    To tell or not to tell?

    Because companies are afraid of firing people. Especially mean people. They need to go "by the book" - which is a long process. Write her up, "counsel" allow time for her to correct, write her up again... repeat until they have a "substantial record." If she has simply disclosed, and not...
  15. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    I suffer over this. I TRY to play. And I just... want to get the hell out of there. My mind just... shears off... It is horrible. Torture. I guess that's the bit that learned that stuff like this counts for other people. Just not me. (sigh) I really DO think it counts for other people. But boy...
  16. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    My T and I have worked with "inner children" or "Stuck bits" for a long time....Couple years at least? The Structural Dissociation model I got last fall, thanks to @Pencil. The emotion model was early last fall... doing work on theories of emotion...I "rediscovered" Panksepp, whom I had...
  17. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    I think I get your point. The beating was just the icing on the cake. The real abuse was the neglect. Even if they hadn't beaten him, even if they had left him in a cool place where nothing would fall on him, it still wouldn't have been an ok life. It still would have been abuse of the dog...
  18. Eleanor

    Tonic Immobility

    Wow. Really interesting. I was just reading an article that was talking about the basic emotions and ran across this: "Panksepp also presents evidence for a Seeking System centered in the VTA-to-lateral hypothalamic to mesolimbic–mesocortical projection tracts. I would argue that this system...
  19. Eleanor

    To tell or not to tell?

    1) Document everything. 2) Specifically, write up what has happened (like you did here)as factually and objectively as possible. Report actual words if you can. 3) Email these to HR. 4) Complain about discrimination - if you have informed them of your disability, and have asked for an...
  20. Eleanor

    Structural Dissociation?

    I do have a hard time with this. It just seems... like a category mistake to me somehow. That there is something essentially different about active abuse and passive neglect. I need to go back and look at those posts I think. This does seem to be a blind spot with me. The irony (or not) I have...
  21. Eleanor

    Tonic Immobility

    I get the "locked in" thing. I am pretty sure there is a chemical "switch", or maybe this system makes use of the motor "lock out" switch that gets turned on when we sleep.... Sorry, I don't mean to treat this like you are a lab rat, I think it is awful and inconvenient (HAHA understatement of...
  22. Eleanor

    Tonic Immobility

    I think this is related to the not feeling pain thing. ... It is a very primitive response of the FEAR system (the end of the freeze spectrum) the analgesic effect is interesting... wait, you said you don't RESPOND. Does that mean you don't feel the pain? Or just that you can't do anything in...
  23. Eleanor

    Crazy Uncle In The Basement

    Your sisters sound like bad bets. Your kids, on the other hand, sound like good compassionate young men. I'm not suggesting that you share trauma details with them, just that you give them some information about PTSD and its symptoms and tell them you have it. I think it is important for kids...
  24. Eleanor

    News Us College Campus Rape/assault New Laws Discussion

    I think this is a pretty darn sensible policy ("yes" means yes.) And when I've talked to students bitching about it I've suggested that perhaps, if you are not mature enough to ask a simple question and get/give a simpler answer maybe you shouldn't be swapping body fluids. I can't see the...
  25. Eleanor

    That's Not 'normal' That's Abuse.

    Well, not "like" you know. I'm so sorry this was your normal growing up. And I wish it was only you. But all the evidence says that you have ALOT of company.:cry: There was a bumper sticker once; "It is not ok to hit people. And kids are people too.":sorry:
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