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Ok... all taken onboard when when coming up with a proposed format in the instruction thread.

I believe a citation is inline, and a reference is at the end... if my understanding is correct.

Whilst I thought about using citations vs. references, or even in combination as official doctrine uses, I also then came back to the traumatic brain... I was reading the type of book I absolutely hate, Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, A Comprehensive Text, by Bremner and Saigh... pretty much the gods of anything PTSD within the mental health industry, the book is really a book of studies, official results, genetics, neurological aspects, etc... reading it annoys the piss out of me, as I read: (highlighted text vs. citations in one part of a sentence)

...PTSD used as a self-report measure in epidemiological studies, including studies of hurricanes (Lonigan et al., 1994; Shannon et al., 1994; Shaw, Applegate, Tanner, & Perex, 1995); earthquake (Bradburn, 1991; Goenjian et al., 1995), and war zone exposure (Nader et al., 1993).

You can see... it becomes really annoying to read or understand the sentence with citations (disruptions) contained within against the majority of people with a traumatic brain... well, just readers in general can't stand official crap like this.

Everytime I read official journals, such material, it turns me further and further away from the idea of including citations within the text... at most, I am thinking of something simple like [1] which identifies the first reference, [2], etc, like wikipedia uses, or just leaving at... here is the text, and the cumulative information you are reading here comes from experience, theory, and the references listed at the bottom.

I am thinking about the issue of attachments at present... especially web pages, as they come and go like no tomorrow. You link to them now, someone clicks on them, then their gone a month / year later. Using a mac is easy, as you can go to any webpage, and save it as a PDF via print... but that function is not built into Windows... then attach the PDF obviously to the reference, instead of linking to the site itself. I believe it is the best way vs. linking... but I have to work on that yet.

This all may take me until next weekend to really have a solid starting point... as more and more arises with specific aspect of the page creation... which is expected, and good... so we get it right then start building pages.

I have a near complete demo sitting ready as an example... but still without references and some other aspects that I want to tidy up first... ie. the headings... not real happy with them at present. The content menu, maybe apply a little pizzazz to it... etc.

Keep the points coming... post threads, whatever it takes... throw it all at me now, at the group, so we get things cemented before be start building pages... and obviously once I finish a foundation instruction, then everyone attacks it and we nut it out.
 
I have just done a reference area on the example page wiki now... and included a pdf link via template for websites, journals, etc.
 
I really think the simpler the better. I like Deb's idea of a copy and paste format, that way no-one will forget and have to go find the example again. One simple note and no big deal, but I prefer that the title of the book be in italics. It makes it much easier to see the title for anyone who might wish to purchase it and provides a little visual break without being annoying like the citations.
 
Format is within the full instruction thread: [DLMURL]http://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/important-wiki-group-information-how-to.14980/#post-188067[/DLMURL]
 
Oh.. and nice job by the way on the homepage edit.. the editing, but also you quickly worked out the templating. Good to know instructions are clear enough.
 
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Nice compliment Anthony. Yes, your instructions are very easy to follow. I love technology, but as I am reading all the threads.....HOLY COW is it complicated!
 
Yep... this is why I even merged the two threads into one for one place containing all instructions... that way there is no requirement to ever check further than one thread on how to.

Just that one instruction thread is quite a read, along with all the videos included for those who are more visual.
 
One simple note and no big deal, but I prefer that the title of the book be in italics. It makes it much easier to see the title for anyone who might wish to purchase it and provides a little visual break without being annoying like the citations.
Agreed... changed reference documentation to suit: [DLMURL]http://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/important-wiki-group-information-how-to.14980/#post-188067[/DLMURL]
 
Hi Anthony,

I understand that if we can access material online for free that we can post it here with a citation. Is that true even if it says "Copy Rights" ?
 
If you are posting information within this private area, it can be free or paid, I don't care, as long as it remain in the private forum here for research purposes, ie. someone buys a research paper in PDF, then I don't care if its attached in this area for others to read or use for wiki use, as long as it doesn't go public.

For referencing, even with copyright, part of copyright law... like a loophole if you like, is that you can use it to attach as a cited source. You can't copy the entire page and post it as your own work, that would breach copyright. You can't quote an entire paragraph and say its your own work, etc... that is copyright. You can however take a snapshot of the work, copyright or not, in order to provide an electronic version for source integrity. We are not claiming it as our own, we are citing them as the author, the date and title, and merely providing a duplicate copy of their work for reference purposes. We are not reproducing to claim ownership or such, so hence copyright differs slightly.

If any website, journal, etc, jumped up and down about it, then they could just send me a copyright infringement notice asking for immediate removal, and I would simply comply, as its not worth fighting or arguing with them about it. The web has benefits in that respect with copyright.

Paid content.... they could then claim lost revenue if it was republished for free... so that one is a big no no.
 
.HOLY COW is it complicated!

It is! Feel totally lost. But I am going to read all this stuff today and tomorrow and hopefully...my brain will understand??


Does it even need the authors or publishers name, if you are naming the book itself, and year (so people know which one)?

I know you said that its not going to be as formal...but from what I remember of journalism,you have to source the publishers because the version of the book can changed based on who is publishing it. Example...the publishers who originally published Jane Austen probably isn't doing so now. The edition of the book can change too!

I hope I wasn't way off topic? Or misunderstanding?
 
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