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Unfortunately, a George Washington or Abraham Lincoln doesn't come around very often. Washington was widely and justifiably well-regarded and loved by most all Americans in his time. And Lincoln, who is practically unanimously considered by historians today as one of our best ever presidents, was often ridiculed and disliked in his own time. People didn't trust a "hick" from Kentucky, who enjoyed telling jokes (often quite crude jokes, by the way -- if I didn't fall in love with him like every other person who's ever done a book on him, I'd be a bit creeped out), p*ssed off his opponents regularly with his sharp but always deep-down compassionate humor/criticism, and who challenged many Americans on their opinions on issues of the day, not least of which was slavery. He also agonized deeply about the Civil War and most days after work he would walk to the Soldier's Hospital near the White House to visit wounded soldiers -- Union and Confederate alike. Such people are really rare.
 
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Hi Scout,
to a certain extent, there is a school of (philosophy is the wrong word) theory of reality and knowledge (epistemology) which chooses as its model - literary criticism

Now,don't get me wrong, that is no worse than assuming that present day science can explain all, that a god can explain all, that neuro transmitter chemicals can explain all, that empiricism can explain it, or that the sciences of physics or bio chemistry can explain it.

each of those is an ism, deism, I don't think there's actually a word for the neuro transmitter ism, but it comes somewhere under scientism, and the physical science model under pan physicalism.

ok back to literary criticism as a model

It's called hermaneutics

(and forms the core of post modernism - the french state subsidised philosophers love it, one of them even got conned into writing about the entirely fictional philosopher Botul, and the school of thought inspired by him "Botulism" - yeah you'd have thought he'd have caught on with a school of thought named after food poisoning - he didn't and he furiously defended his bullshit paper).

To a hermaneutician, the key is what appeals to them at the moment, it looks good, so it is right.

there is no acknowledgement of laws of nature, or any consistency of judgement, such and such was appropriate then and to those people, but, this is appropriate now and to us - in the future, something else might be better, but for now...

It doesn't matter what the abuses - eff it - if someone suggests that perhaps now is the time to put muslims in the gas chambers... hermaneutics offers no consistent argument why muslims shouldn't be gassed.

I would argue that it is either a psychopathic and narcissistic epistemology (theory of knowledge)
or one which is wide open to abuse by psychopaths and narcs

all that matters is what appeals at that moment (and probably a "will to power" as well)

cont;



it is completely nihilistic
 
@Anarchy, you just went some considerable way toward articulating why I did not pursue a PH.D. in English lit. Here in some unis in the States, the pomo, deconstructionist, et al stuff really did feel nihilistic, even though, to be fair, I also thought it helped bring scholarship to a point of recognizing things previous scholars didn't recognize. Derrida? Omg. I loved his work in terms of reading poetry, but that was about it, haha. I finally thought, during the summer before I was to begin the Ph.D. program, what am I doing here? I am depressed. I am upset all the time. I am in a bubble of people who see things this way? I'm going back out into the nuts and bolts world and doing something useful with my education.

If you don't mind me saying so, I've long suspected you as being highly educated in history, literature and/or philosophy (I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was all three, and maybe more) -- and, I am not using "suspected" in any kind of perjorative sense whatsoever, okay? I admire your evident learning.
 
Unfortunately, a George Washington or Abraham Lincoln doesn't come around very often. Washington was widely and justifiably well-regarded and loved by most all Americans in his time. And Lincoln, who is practically unanimously considered by historians today as one of our best ever presidents, was often ridiculed and disliked in his own time.

Sorry Hodge,
they were both monsters
Washington was the biggest realtor of his day
his objection to british rule was the limit of 200 miles from salt water - Washington wanted to be selling real estate from ocean to ocean.
Vested interests or what?

During the whisky rebellion, Washington even took parties of potential customers to up-state Pennsylvania to view the prime properties he had there - my personal opinion, it's a shame that none of the rebels gave him a hot lead injection.

as for the whisky tax, there were sufficient parasites who wanted an income from tax farming in the area, that the new united state army (remember how short a time this was from the coup d'etat of the constitutional convention) was used to enforce that tax, for those idle and parasitic cronies.

elsewhere, people continued distilling and selling (and drinking) whisky relatively un hindered.

Lincoln; take a look at the leading Lincoln scholar, Tom DiLorenzo
forget all about Lincoln wanting to end slavery
The rest of the world had already done that 80 years before, and the only place where it took a war was Haiti (yeah, that shithole!). there is absolutely zero "grace" attaching to 'murica for that appalling war. zero.

Lincoln was a racist - The black people who he called to the Whitehouse, he brow beat into preaching sermons about emigration of blacks to Africa. He was convinced (and that is very clear in his correspondence) that black people were in every way inferior to whites and that there had to be a race that was master - and it naturally follows, one which was inferior.

The 700,000 plus deaths in the war against the south were far more about the Morrill tariff (paid predominantly by the south and benefiting yankee crony (and absolutely shitty) industrialists) than it ever was about ending slavery

Lincoln is clear that he didn't give a damn about slavery
he wanted to "preserve the union" (the tax/tariff base)

but the south had already left the gulag of the union

and as Lysander Spooner noted:
"the right to secession derives from a slave's right to be free"

the war against the south was a war of colonial conquest and tax serfdom.

absolutely nothing personal against you or any other poster here

Mount Rushmore is actually a pretty good guide
the faces there, were the worst monsters of all.

whichever one comes next, probably deserves pride of place there

personally, I'm hoping that the head says "non of the above"
 
If you don't mind me saying so, I've long suspected you as being highly educated in history, literature and/or philosophy (I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was all three, and maybe more) -- and, I am not using "suspected" in any kind of perjorative sense whatsoever, okay? I admire your evident learning.
actually I'm an engineer
I much appreciate your learning and your humanity:hug:

hugs too to the others on this thread:hug:
 
I respect your opinions, Anarchy, and have absolutely no desire to get into anything here. This thread is not the place and my mind is not what it used to be. Guess I was just perceiving, wrongly perhaps, that we had some common ground.
 
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anyway - looks like hermaneutics and several other nihilistic revolts against or denials of reason are ways to avoid adressing the logical contradictions that statist politicians (not just limited to trump) come out with.
 
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