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'obama Is Seeking To Disarm Us Veterans': Class Action Lawsuit Against The Va And Obama Gaining Trac

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You're right J R. Using PTSD as the form of a mental illness is bad form when the VA analyzes this as a mental illness.

But also, there are a lot of PTSD patients that have multiple disorders where the rulings discussed may apply.

For sake of the argument, is PTSD a mental disorder?

Merriam Webster - : a mental or bodily condition marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, and emotions to seriously impair the normal psychological functioning of the individual—called also mental illness

I would say yes. But I would also say the Gun Control Act of 1968 has some flaws. Maybe it should be revised to contain exclusions. But if you look at the law, it's black and white in stating its unlawful to posess if you have been adjudicated with a mental illness. This isn't a doc stating you have PTSD...and you can't have a gun. This is a judge and proceedings.

This isn't just with PTSD. I can happen to a civilian who has been adjudicated just as easily.

The same law (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9)) also applies to anyone convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence or has been issued a restrained order from the CLEO from possessing a firearm.

I'm with you J R. I don't trust them. At all.

I have been following these stories for several...several years. For anyone interested there was a bill introduced to the house in 2013. You can see it here:
H.R.577

 
HOT OFF THE PRESS...... This was just posted on FB......I posted it here because of the timing.....:)

Warfighter Rights' Movement
19 mins ·
THEY ARE COMING FOR OUR GUNS

It is official. 2015 is the year that progressives will make an all-out push to quash the Second Amendment and disarm the American people. I have been reporting on my blog for the last several years about the ground work that has been laid including the escalating efforts to disarm our veterans, the issuing of illegal Executive Orders by Obama to limit gun rights, the movement to get individual states to pass and enforce unconstitutional limits on gun ownership, and the signing of the UN Small Arms treaty.

Now they are ready to make their move and I predict it will consist of a number of assaults on the American people. In fact, some of them are already in the works:

1. The DOJ is floating the claim that the UN Small Arms Treaty is now the law of the land despite the fact that it has never been submitted to the U.S. Senate for ratification by a two thirds majority as required by the U. S. Constitution. This means that Obama plans to enforce the provisions of the treaty without ratification and despite the fact that in 1957 the Supreme Court ruled that no treaty, even if signed by the President and ratified by the Senate can override the protection of individual rights guaranteed to Americans in the Constitution.

2. Obama’s enforcement of the UN treaty will include prohibiting the importation of firearms or replacement parts from other countries into the U.S, and providing a list to the UN of all American gun owners, importers, and exporters. In order to legally facilitate this, Congress would have to repeal the ban on funding of a national gun registration. However, I believe Obama plans on doing this by another illegal and unconstitutional Executive Order.

3. To continue and escalate the effort to disarm American veterans. The private medical records of veterans are being turned over illegally to the FBI so that they can be put on the NICS list of people who cannot legally purchase firearms because of mental illness. However, mental illness of these veterans is based on minor PTSD, suffering from minor depression, or even letting their spouses pay the family bills. There is no adjudication of mental illness to the point of being a danger to themselves or others as required by law.

4. Veterans are also being required to tell the VA if they own firearms, how they feel about the federal government and/or the Obama administration and in some cases forced to submit to a strip search to determine if they have any “radical tattoos”. No definition of what constitutes a radical tattoo is provided.

5. Obama has by an illegal and unconstitutional amendment to the Affordable Care Act overridden the prohibition on doctors to question their patients about gun ownership. Obama has called on pediatricians to question children about whether their parents have a gun in their home. Just recently I have also learned that seniors newly enrolling in Medicare are being required, when they go to a doctor for a routine physical, to take a test to determine if they are showing signs of Alzheimer’s disease. The questions include repeating a sequence of numbers and letters and other memory type questions and then there is the question about whether they own a firearm. Obviously, this information is then sent to the Federal government.

6. Obama has also issued an Executive order that is being enforced by new HHS regulations that virtually set aside the HIPP law that protects the privacy of medical records. Under these new regulations, if your records contain anything indicating you have ever been depressed, had PTSD or taken certain medications your records will be turned over to the FBI and you will be put on the NICS list. This will apply to everyone, not just veterans.

7. Obama also has the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms changing the definition of mental illness to provide that anyone can be declared mentally ill to the point of being a danger to themselves or others for any reason without an adjudication of any kind, and therefore can be prohibited from owning firearms. This is already happening in states like New York that have adopted similar laws and regulations. A citizen of New York has been declared mentally ill and had his guns seized because he was seeking treatment for insomnia.

8. In the meantime, we have a Republican Senator casting the deciding vote to confirm Obama’s appointment of a Surgeon General who believes that gun ownership constitutes a health threat. We have the EPA moving to control the manufacture of ammunition because it claims that the use of lead in ammo produces a threat to the environment.

9. The Department of Justice will continue its campaign to force banks to deny loans and even bank accounts to firearms dealers and will continue to harass them in other ways to force them out of business.
In other words, multiple resources of the Federal Government and some state governments are going to be used to take our firearms, but we can and must fight back. As the Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (www.usjf.net) I plan on taking the following actions to:

. Contact members of the U.S. Senate and urge them to refile the “Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act” that will stop the efforts of the VA to disarm America’s heroes. This law was previously defeated by Democrats in the Senate.
. Continue our representation of individual veterans in their fights to reverse declarations that they are incompetent to handle their own financial affairs and cannot own firearms. We have won some recent victories in this effort.
. File suits against the VA, FBI, DHS, and DOD to force them to comply with our Freedom of Information Act requests to gain documents about the attacks on veterans by these agencies.

. Continue our involvement in lawsuits against states that are implementing and enforcing unconstitutional gun control laws.
. Offer our support to any members of Congress who file suit against Obama to stop his use of illegal Executive Orders to implement gun control and other unconstitutional actions.

. Continue to support the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) in their efforts to recruit law enforcement leaders around the country to pledge that they will not allow unconstitutional laws or regulations to be enforced in their jurisdictions.
Michael Connelly
[email protected]
Michael Connelly blog
www.usjf.net
 
Many of these things had been floated around for a long time. Not just with Obama, but with Bush and Clinton. I have read a lot of what was posted above, in different stages over the past 10 years. Nothing new has been said really.

I know the the VA handed over nearly 90,000 files to the FBI back in the late 90's of people and spouses of patients who had been adjudicated "mentally defective" of handling their own affairs. I remember this because it was some time during when I had my FFL and ready the BATF memo. I also remember reading about the other stories in the National Rifleman.

the 111th Congress, Senator Burr reintroduced his bill as S. 669, and the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs reported this bill (S.Rept. 111-27) on June 16, 2009. Representative Jerry Moran introduced a similar bill (H.R. 2547).

Mental Defective Adjudications Under 27 CFR §478.11, the term “adjudicated as a mental defective” includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease (1) is a danger to himself or others, or (2) lacks the mental capacity to manage his own affairs. The term also includes (1) a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case and (2) those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. §§850a, 876(b).

If they do start claiming PTSD sufferers as mentally defective then imagine the can of worms it opens. Think of the 40% of law enforcement officers who suffer from PTSD. Also what about the other 40% of the current service members who have been DX'd with PTSD and are being treated. Do we discharge them because if they can't carry a weapon, they can't fight.

I'm halfway at the end of my lifecycle and know I'd never stand a chance to a drone strike so by the time I have to fight it'll be too late. Do I think the 2nd amendment is in jeopardy? Yep! Come get them I guess. Gotta find them though first though as few have ever been processed through the system. So the first step will need to be national amnesty. Then registration. Then confiscation.

I'm going to start worrying when I see a national amnesty.
 
I gotta add.

I remember reading the Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act. This must be one fresh hot steaming turd. Neither the Democrats or Republicans want to step on it. It's been continually introduced since 1993 yet never moved out of the House. I must make a mental note to research this more.

Another note: what better group to begin confiscation? Veterans who've already been trained to fight. Less opposition that way.
 
Know this, somethings are set in place that will trigger, the Second Constitutional Armed American Revolution......One thing to look for is when the federal government takes down the internet and all our cell phones will not work, both at the same time.....Think about why they would do that.....Oh, don't forget we now have over 85 million firearm owners......Lets say only 10% stand.......Sounds like fun to me......I may be old, walk slow and can't run. But I do have something they mostly do not. I have lived on the Dark Side!!! I could almost feel sorry for them......NOT.
 
I come from a country where you are not allowed to carry firearms. You can own them if you have a permit and a reason, but can't walk the street.
Yeah at times I feel a lot of crimes would have not happened or been reversed, but I feel safer knowing the person who is road raging or has a beef with you is not likely to draw, we also have no real mass shootings or school shootings etc, and the amount of child firearm incidents is next to zero.
On the other hand, sometimes I would feel a lot safer with a weapon on me or available to me.

But I believe that any person who is not deemed competent, i.e. a risk whether it be losing it or suicide risk should not be allowed.

Just my opinion, and because our laws will never change it does not matter.
 
I come from a country where you are not allowed to carry firearms. You can own them if you have a permit and a reason, but can't walk the street.
Yeah at times I feel a lot of crimes would have not happened or been reversed, but I feel safer knowing the person who is road raging or has a beef with you is not likely to draw, we also have no real mass shootings or school shootings etc, and the amount of child firearm incidents is next to zero.
On the other hand, sometimes I would feel a lot safer with a weapon on me or available to me.

But I believe that any person who is not deemed competent, i.e. a risk whether it be losing it or suicide risk should not be allowed.

Just my opinion, and because our laws will never change it does not matter.

Jimmy, how many crimes do you have in Oz that are done with a knife, ball bat etc. Just wondering.....

Thanks,
J R
 
I've been dealing with post traumatic stress for a long, long time. Early on I was offended and amazed by mental health professionals who included the "D" in PTSD. It's not a disorder damn it, and it's not mental illness. Veterans get it because THEY'RE NORMAL. IT'S A NATURAL REACTION TO THE BRUTALITY OF WAR. What's even more amazing is those who send us off to the killing fields to do their brutal business have the audacity to question our ability to handle deadly force. We don't loose control or turn on one another because control and one another was all we had.

There are hundreds of congressmen and women, senators and presidents who have sent us off to do their killing for them, Obama included. On their hands is the blood of millions. When are they questioned on their qualifications to decide when to use deadly force?
 
There are hundreds of congressmen and women, senators and presidents who have sent us off to do their killing for them, Obama included. On their hands is the blood of millions. When are they questioned on their qualifications to decide when to use deadly force?

Hundreds of ARMED senators and congressmen and women!

Sarg
 
The only thing the Brady act provides for is requirements for background checks before guns are purchased. It was enacted in 1993. I can't find any record of it being used against vets. who already own fire arms. Are there cases where this was done?
True, however it is and has been used against those considered mentally ill and/or incompetent.(And we fit that category, according to them, 'cept in Texas, Nebraska, Alaska, the Dakotas, Montana and Idaho.)

In truth, it was the elder George Bush that pushed to disarm us prior to his Presidency, and his sons continued till W got distracted by a wind up monkey toy and some shiny, shiny pocket change in a shaken soup can.
 
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