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Sex With Therapist

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That's not good. That means the boundry isn't clear and isn't laid strong enough.

If I mention this to my therapist he w...
I really appreciate your sharing this. I'm sorry that happened and that it complicated your healing so terribly.
 
My normal me does not sexualize relationships at all but the times in my life this trauma has come up, yes, I use sex to connect and save me from isolation of PTSD.
Lets say this is what's going on, in this instance...would you still want to do this, if it was about coping with isolation in a short-term way, instead of giving you some long-term therapeutic benefit?
 
Thank you for your response - very thought provoking. It's so hard for me to see this as wrong as I am convinced I can do this in a therapeutic way. My normal me does not sexualize relationships at all but the times in my life this trauma has come up, yes, I use sex to connect and save me from isolation of PTSD.
I have sexual trauma from a 'care taker' sort of...I was hurt by a very violent person as a young adolescent and I actually ran off with him for over a year. It's very confusing. I had desire to protect him and I enslaved myself to this violent crazy person. I can't really explain it well. It's nuts.
It's not crazy or nuts. It's trauma bonding. It's how someone survives, especially if they are young. Think about Stockholm syndrome - that is an extreme example of trauma bonding. When someone who is taking care of us when we are young also abuses us, the abuse and the need for care and affection get all mixed up with each other. In order to get basic developmental needs met and to actually NOT go crazy, many kids and teens (and even adults) will become super attached to their abusers. In fact, abused adult women really struggle to leave abusive partners a lot more than women who are not abused. When good feelings are experienced with terrifying ones, it gets all encoded into the brain and what we need on a very basic and fundamental level.
I am either so deep in a fog and disconnected from him that I feel alone and isolated or I feel desperate to sleep with him so I don't slip back in the fog.
Feeling these feelings only becomes dangerous when we act on this kind of stuff. But the fact that it is coming up is a sign your brain is trying to work through the trauma of the past. It is either dissociated or you want to have sex with your T, which is about as close of a childhood caretaker as one can get in adulthood. To now have this desire with your therapist is not a bad sign. It simply means your brain is trying to work through the past. Right now, you only know the path of sexual connection in an unhealthy way as the path out of the fog and terror. There are other ways. That's part of healing.

My therapist and I talk about traumatic transference of all types all the time. With a previous therapist, I had a huge desire to have a romantic relationship with her, and she was gay, and I was not, but I actually started to think maybe I was gay or bisexual. It was so confusing and it seemed so so so real. I wasn't in love with her, but I still wanted to have sex with her.

I finally had the courage to talk about it, and in time, I realized I was wanting sex with her wasn't about her, or even the touch she could provide. It was about what I didn't get in the past, what terrified me in the past, and a common draw for survivors to reenact childhood trauma.

Instead of sex, we worked on connecting without the sex, feeling safe and grounded without sex.
It's SO convincing that sex will make this therapeutic relationship better. I can't believe not one person on here feels this could possibly be true.
Lots of people actually think sex with their therapist will help. Sometimes even therapists think it - and even though they are TRAINED to never go there, in the US, they still back it up with pretty strong legal prohibitions because even to a therapist, it can seem so convincing.
Sounds like I should just ask him if he'd like to have sex with me to even see if that boundary is there.
This would be a good thing to ask if you are testing out where his boundary is. Even better to ask him if/when he would ever cross that boundary. If he suggests there is any chance at all that he would ever take a client up on any sexual advances EVER, then it's time to RUN.

If you feel at all dissociated, ask him for his policy on sexual contact with clients in writing - you could even say it casually like, "can you write that down for me so I don't forget?"

His response should be that regardless of any feelings he may or may not have for any client, he would never ever engage in sexual contact or sex with a client. Every therapist I have seen has always included a statement in their mandatory state disclosures about how it's illegal to engage in sexual activity and where to report concerns. What is required in your state may differ, but the principle remains the same that he should be able to adamantly declare that he would never have sex with a client.
He asked me what I would do if he came on to me once. I was pretty dissociated when he asked and so it's hard to know if I was understanding him well.
He asked you that? That's another odd and very concerning comment. I could see how a therapist might ask this in order to help a client role play saying no to the therapist, but that would be really weird and super inappropriate to do when the client is so triggered already that they are dissociative.

To better understand why you feel the way you do, and to know you are not alone in feeling this, these are two of the best articles on erotic transference and general transference that I have read: http://www.guidetopsychology.com/erotic_transference.htm and Set your inner child free!
 
I'm just going to ramble here a bit, without quoting anyone. I came to this discussion just this evening, have read everything (all very good stuff), and have so much I want to add.

I have DID, so I dissociate a LOT in therapy. Sometimes, in just that out-of-focus kind of way, sometimes in that "oops, somebody-else-is-out" way. I've done this for years, and I understand that weird feeling of not being connected and desperately needing connection. With my first therapist, it took me probably 2 years of weekly sessions before I could even remember most of my sessions because I was so wigged out each time I was there.

There are a lot of techniques to use to help ground yourself when you feel disconnected - in and out of therapy - that do not involve physical touch or contact. If you aren't familiar with these, that might be something you and your therapist could work on. It's really hard to make headways in therapy when you aren't grounded much of the time. Also, dissociating usually indicates you are triggered by something. It might be helpful to understand what that is.

It is just not ever ok to engage in sexual activity with your therapist. Not for him/her, not for you. To think about it? Sure. Lots of clients do. But to be involved in a sexual relationship with someone who is providing therapy for you will be damaging, in the long run. The comments you have been describing here made by him are particularly bothersome to me, because it tells me he is severely lacking in boundaries and makes me wonder what his motivations are.

It sounds a little like (please correct me if I'm reading this wrong) you are feeling the need for intimacy and you feel safe with this therapist. Could it be that maybe, in addition to thinking it might be "therapeutic" or "healing," in terms of the relationship, you also just need that closeness and are maybe ready to explore that? I could be totally off-base here, but sometimes that happens when we progress in therapy. It's actually a good thing.

That happened to me - I wasn't interested in my therapist (I so didn't like my therapist in that way), but I finally started looking outside therapy for intimacy. Interesting that you mention bdsm, because that's what I pursued. I was feeling an *intense* need for intimacy and physical touch - something I had never felt or had in my life - and that seemed to me to be the very best (and quickest) way to obtain it, without a lot of strings attached. That story is a long one, and not really relevant here (but interesting :p), but suffice it to say, I learned a whole lot about relationships and intimacy and consent and myself during those 6 years. Good stuff.

Please take care of yourself, and don't compromise your integrity or your safety in this situation. If you have someone local you can seek additional advice from, please do. This doesn't feel like a good situation to me.
 
He asked me what I would do if he came on to me once. I was pretty dissociated when he asked and so it's hard to know if...

Your therapist is extremely dangerous.

I too experienced sexual trauma from numerous perpetrators and now work as a mental health clinician. A sexual relationship between therapist and client is in the absolute 'NO GO' zone. I'm so sorry that you are being taken advantage, especially when you are dissociating. It is no coincidence that you are dissociating when you are with him, given your history and the situation with your therapist. He also sounds manipulative and does not have your best interests at heart...at all.

I can hear that you have an internal struggle with what to do and are leaning towards making the decision to have sex with him...I hope you'll make the decision that will honour your healthy self and continued recovery.

Take care...stay safe
 
Your therapist is extremely dangerous.

I too experienced sexual trauma from numerous perpetrators and now work as a men...

Wow. Thank you for this response. That's like a bucket of cold water for sure.

I'm not certain he's predatory at all. He has a very hard time telling when I'm dissociating, which seems odd because I'm SO out of sorts when I'm like that, but he can't tell. I have to 'wake up' enough to tell him how gone I am. So I really don't think he knew I was out of it when he asked me that. I had written him an email telling him of the sexual dreams and fantasies I was having that were intrusive and I felt we needed to talk about it. So the next session is when he asked me what I would do if he came on to me. I smiled and said, "you wouldn't do that, you're married." He said,"why not, old guys like to have fun too." I just laughed and said, "you wouldn't."

I was honestly relieved it was an option, like, if I come on to him this might actually happen and I NEED that. But at the same time, when I found this therapist I looked really hard for one that I didn't think would take me up on a come on because I knew how sexually intense this was for me. He was the safest person I could find. Knowing he's married will stop me because I feel a responsibility to her. But if he told me she left him or he was widowed we'd probably have sex that same hour. Gosh that's awful to admit. But it's true.

I will just directly ask him this week. I hope it doesn't go south. But if it does at this will be over.
 
I had written him an email telling him of the sexual dreams and fantasies I was having that were intrusive and I felt we needed to talk about it. So the next session is when he asked me what I would do if he came on to me. I smiled and said, "you wouldn't do that, you're married." He said,"why not, old guys like to have fun too." I just laughed and said, "you wouldn't."
He needs to be reported to the licensing board ASAP. This is VERY not ok.
 
Lots of people actually think sex with their therapist will help. Sometimes even therapists think it - and even though they are TRAINED to never go there, in the US, they still back it up with pretty strong legal prohibitions because even to a therapist, it can seem so convincing.

Agreed. One of the two I had sex with said, verbatium "if I have to have sex with you to help you then that's what I'll do". But it wasn't help. It was tramatic that meshed with past trauma that then combined a major circle f*ck (pund unintended) of shit that I had to work out with my current therapist.

I fantisze about my current therapist, all of the time. That's the normal erotic transference and due to my past two sexual encounters with therapists, my current therapist talks A LOT about transference of many kinds. There are so many ways to have transference. It is normal and natural but the therapist needs to have the training to know how to handle it and they need to lay down a very clear stict boundry BUT open those lines of communication. I tell my therapist all of the time and we spoke about the fantisies I was having about him (no details) but I felt so guilty that I was punishing myself by cutting down there and it was something I needed to tell him. We had always spoken about transference from day one of him needing to peel me off of him but I didn't realize that thinking like that was totally normal and natural and ok. It is my way to feel safe at night. Today its not my go to but it was back then.

Anyway, what isn't ok is touching more than a hand hold or a hug in therapy. And if there is a lot of erotic transference i would say to even not go there yet. There are ways to get what you are looking for without any touch in my opinion.

And:
I'm concerned about his response,

I am as well. It has nothing to do with you, but in my head his response doesn't add up to me. Something doesn't feel right to me.

Holy f*ck, did I just have a gut instinct?
 
So the next session is when he asked me what I would do if he came on to me. I smiled and said, "you wouldn't do that, you're married." He said,"why not, old guys like to have fun too." I just laughed and said, "you wouldn't."

Sweetie, this is predatory. I know you feel safe but you aren't. I have had sex with two therapists and I am telling you that it is VERY, VERY damaging! This is how a preditor works. This could be called grooming. Please leave this therapist! And report him! He can be damaging others!
 
I had written him an email telling him of the sexual dreams and fantasies I was having that were intrusive and I felt we needed to talk about it. So the next session is when he asked me what I would do if he came on to me. I smiled and said, "you wouldn't do that, you're married." He said,"why not, old guys like to have fun too." I just laughed and said, "you wouldn't."
This guy is a joke.

Do whatever you want in there, it's not going to matter. Hopefully it will help you get out and get a real therapist, and some real help.

I've used sex for coping. It sounds like you have, too. Sex is not the answer to coping with every difficult situation. You're only doing this to flip the power dynamic. It's got nothing to do with feeling secure, it has to do with feeling in charge.
 
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