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Trump's comment on the situation between the UK and Russia was....... interesting? Something like "once we figure out what happened, if we agree with it, maybe" we'll stand with out long time ally? Can't remember the exact wording now. But he questioned the accuracy of the British analysis, questioned the identity of the alleged perps, and sort of waffled on what we'd do if things aligned.

I heard a Russian official yesterday say that nerve agent had been destroyed a few years ago, when they said they destroyed it, there was none left in Russia. Except that there didn't have to BE any in Russia for it to be used in the UK. Kind of made me wonder where they're stashing it, because it could be a lot of places.
 
I hear these kids complaining about guns being responsible for the school shootings. Really? I mean, really really? Seriously? I don't think so.

What happened to responsible parents? Go read about the parents of the kids that did the school shootings. If they paid much attention to their kids a large number of those shootings could have been prevented. And what about the teachers? Same thing, literally. But instead, in the last Florida shooting, people called the FBI instead. What do you think FBI stands for? F'ing Babysitters Incorporated? Give me a break!
The worst of the bunch is the kids themselves. And I'm not talking about the kid shooters, but the alleged victims. You know, the same kids that have, in a large number of instances, been the original bullies themselves.

In the Florida shooting, a lot of the shooters "friends" admitted they saw problems arising. Uhhhh, ok. And not a one of them took their friend aside and asked him if he wanted to talk about his difficulties? They didn't? Uhhhh, like WTF dude?!?!?! When I was a kid, we had friends that gave a damn. Today, I dunno what our kids have for friends today, but I sure don't want any of them as MY friends. If someone had cared, he could have, likely would have, been stopped. I can think of 17 people that would be pretty damned grateful right about now if someone had.
 
In the Florida shooting, a lot of the shooters "friends" admitted they saw problems arising. Uhhhh, ok. And not a one of them took their friend aside and asked him if he wanted to talk about his difficulties? They didn't? Uhhhh, like WTF dude?!?!?!

I'm sorry but they are kids. You are asking kids to deal with adult issues. They are kids! It's the exact same reason many of my friends saw way more of my trauma then I ever realized and enough to know the sexual parts were happening but never said anything to me, their parents, or any adult...or anyone else for that matter. One of them got in contact with me about 9 yrs ago (and we still talk today) to appologize for not saying anything to anyone. She was a kid. A child. She was scared. There was nothing for her to appolgize for. You cannot blame children for not taking on adult issues and for being scared!

What happened to responsible parents?

That I can absolutly agree with. Someone at my work was talking about when her internet goes down and her 3 year old doesn't have her tablet. That all hell breaks loose when there is no tablet. You mean to tell me that then you need to parent? Wow, parents today allow the internet and people like the idiot Logan Paul (who's average viewer is 10 years old) to babysit their kids. And, what 10 year olds have said to me on youtube about suicide being funny and just the things these kids are saying is f*cking scary! We are raising a generation of sciopaths! I mean, the things coming out of CHILDREN'S mouths is f*cking scary! Parents, please parent your children! Stop allowing the internet to do your job!
 
I agree with both lostforgottensoul and cactus-jack about parents not taking responsibility. The story about the 3 yr old is horrific, but Ive seem similar. Unfortunately I think that a lot of these kids have both parents working, come home from daycare or school at the same time as parents and the parents are attempting to prepare meals, do laundry, chores, etc. They need to learn when they are young. They do not need a tablet or be put in front of tv or violent video games. I honestly don't know what it would feel like to have to work with small children in this day and age. My kids grew up just before the technology boom really. When they were teens, they thought they needed to check the computer and have it on to check their IM every few minutes. We shared a family computer and it was a battle at times. iPhones came late in high school. I flipped when I got the first $100 overage bill for texting (which I had no idea what it even was). They downloaded ringtones for a cost....etc. I worked part time and had very flexible hours. I feel for those trying to work and raise these kids.

I had a birthday dinner for my 30 yr old today and didn't realize until this post, that not one person checked their phones in like 3 hours at the restaurant. Not the case with my grandchildren. Its definitely getting worse.
 
Does anyone, ANYONE AT ALL, think that politicians should be making medical decisions?!?

:banghead:

I’m seriously thinking of ringing my representatives to make my next doctor’s appointment. I could only wish a few hundred million other would join me.

Or putting through a referendum that if congress thinks it can make medical decisions that they’re banned from seeking healthcare from any “doctor” other than themselves. Need open heart surgery? Hey! I hear one of the new dems in the House is a whizzbang with a hatchet! Or there’s always Senator Whozit, he’s fussy enough to be a cardiologist.
 
No I don't think so. I do think we were better of back in the 70's, before the HMO's came along. Blue Cross was cheap premiums. If you needed tests or hospitalized, they paid 80%. They did not pay for office visits or prescriptions. Many times I made payments on the pediatricians bill when my daughter got sick, since I also had to go to the pharmacy and fill prescriptions. You didn't have a baby if you couldn't afford pre natal care and 20% of hospital bill. Then people started getting this HMO, they pay it all. Great right! Then they start telling you who you can see. Then raise premiums repeatedly. Now with the premiums, who the heck can afford the co pays and prescriptions. This is how it was for middle class. Poor got medical card to cover. Big pharma got greedy. Insurance got greedy. Who allowed this? Now the Drs. get $80 from one patient and $120 from another, depending on their insurance. I wish I had the $500 a month premium to use as I chose, and not to have to wait on a referral and 3 months wait list (their choice) when you have an emergency issue. The hoops we have to jump through are exhausting, and the older and sicker I get, the more I have given up, and thats what they count on. Then I live in a small city with less that good doctors.....I think they come here to practice on the hillbillies! If they build a good practice, they leave for a city that pays more.
 
Re: Russia and chemical weapons.


Russia complied fully with the international disposal agency, the OPCW,

The OPCW was fully satisfied with the compliance.

Several former satellites or components of the former ussr, did not.

The man who developed the agent which it is being claimed was used. Now lives in the united state.

There is a un convention which allows immediate military reprisals for any use by a state of chemical weapons, on civilians.

Even if Putin is thoroughly evil, I don't think that he is stupid enough to allow any of his employees to mess around with something that is an immediate grounds for war.

I very strongly suspect that this incident fits into the same pattern as the Gleiwitz incident and the shelling of Mainilla at the beginning of wwii.

Gleiwitz incident - Wikipedia

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I'm enjoying your train of thought about politicians making medical decisions.

These do tend to be people who have a very narrow skill set ( It's usually limited to an ability to tell demagogue lies).

Can I suggest that you simplify your statement?

The word "medical" is both redundant, and it unduly narrows the statements field of applicability.
 
@cactus_jack When I was a kid I was friends with a kid who wasn't liked by most. He did have some friends, but he definitely a social misfit. And it was hard being his friend. He was sometimes whiny, sometimes outright mean and just didn't get how to interact with people well. I was a misfit too and I felt bad for him, so I stayed friends. When we hit 14 and 15, we were drifting away some. I will be totally honest and say I was embarrassed to be seen at school with him. He acted like such an ass. I was trying to move out of the misfit class and be normal. We still hung out at times.

One time I was over at his house, and he pulled out a gun. He said it was his. He was playing with it like it was a freaking toy. He was pointing it at things and pulling the trigger. He pointed it at me and pulled the trigger. I lost it. We had a huge argument. I told him that you never point a gun at someone unless you are willing to kill that person. I tried to talk about gun safety. He blew me off. I stormed out of his house. None of the other kids backed me up. None of them said a damn thing. I told my parents. They shrugged it off and told me to stay away from him. None of the other kids there said anything. A while later, I swung by his house for some reason and his parents were telling him to leave the guns alone. They knew at least some of what he was doing. Did they lock up the guns or make it hard for him? Nope. I think he showed me a different gun that day and I told him I wasn't going to hang out while he did that so we went outside and road our bikes. Did any of the other kids say anything to him? I have no idea.

He shot himself. It's not clear if it was suicide or a stupid accident. Either is possible, he was never a happy person. After being in a coma, he died. After telling my parents and having them not care and seeing his parent do basically nothing, I gave up on telling. I stayed away from his house, because I was raised with gun safety, and the way he played with that gun freaked me out. I carried a whole, hell of a lot of guilt for years. I thought I knew and didn't do anything. I forgot about the fact I did speak up. I felt like I wasn't a good enough friend. I was so ashamed of the fact, I avoided him at school. I'm not proud of that fact now, but I've forgiven myself. I was a kid going through all that crazy hormonal stuff. I felt guilty that I missed his birthday party because I didn't want to his house. I was a freaking kid, trying to survive my own abusive family and succeed at school in spite of my learning disabilities.

It makes me crazy when people try to blame the kids for not being his friend or not doing something. Clearly, some of that comes from my own experience. Some of it comes from years of working with kids. We unfairly label the current generation, just like past generations have done. What we do know about the parkland shooter, is the adults failed. What we don't know is what the kids did do. How many kids tried to befriend him at some point, but found it too uncomfortable. I spent a lot of time befriending the bullied kids when I was young. They tended to be very needy or have some really difficult characteristics. I often found myself quickly overwhelmed and eventually would find a way to back out of the relationship. I was just a kid and couldn't fix them. How many kids, said something to their parents, but their parents not knowing what to do, did nothing? How many kids were worried, but saw the adults doing nothing to fix the situation so thought the situation was unfixable? As far as friends not doing anything, do you really know no one did? At least one did something pretty huge. He asked his mom if his friend (who became the shooter) could come live with them because of the death of his mother and problems where he was currently living.
 
I don't know it it can all be thrown into one basket. Parents, children, internet, teachers?

I know my child bullied another child on a bus trip once. He shoved the child ahead of him when they were standing up...the child tripped and his glasses broke. My child told me about it so I rang this child's parents and took my child around to see them. My child apologised. I offered to replace the glasses. We got 'looks' like (are you a crazy bitch?).

I tried to give my children some perspective regarding the Internet. They had privileges revoked if chores, homework and 'outside time' was not done or done badly. That included television. Many days and nights were spent with a book in their hands believe me. But when they went to stay with their friends it was just one long internet binge... (The friends were not so keen on coming to stay at my house..because I sent them outside to play) Admittedly they had a huge backyard and it was safe..well maybe the odd reptile or two..but nothing too serious. Nobody got eaten anyway.

Teachers...hey some are great and I tip my hat to them. Others were so hopeless that I had to intervene and got the (look) again.

Some parents are ok with the parenting role and seem to be produce children that are ok. Some people should not be allowed to breed. I don't know where I sit in that spectrum but I do think every one has a bloody opinion. They did when I was having children and they do now...
 
@cactus_jack When I was a kid I was friends with a kid who wasn't liked by most. He did...
Muttly, that brings up another very, if not the most, important part of life. Sometimes shit happens and there ain't a damned thing anyone can do anything about it. We can blame this and blame that; we can say "it's because of so & so being a dick" or that "he didn't know how to act". Both of which could very well be rue, however...in the end as much as we have plenty of targets to blame, sometimes there is no one to blame. Sometimes shit just happens.
 
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