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His Dark Materials Trilogy

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I'm up to the part where Lyra and Will have just been rescued by the witches and Dr Malone has just had a conversation with the Shadows and has now started her own adventure.

The second book is much better and much faster paced. A more complex plot too. I'm really enjoying it.

It's funny but The Golden Compass is on TV this afternoon so I'm going to watch it.
 
BOOK 3 now Anthony.

This is getting weird, more weird than the other books but I'm sure it will pan out. The last book ended with all the characters split up but this book has started with a big gap, not explaining what happened but revealing things a bit at a time.

It is going to be interesting.

P.S. I watched the film and thought it was rubbish, all over the place, too quick, not enough detail and didn't explain enough. Oh well.:rolleyes:
 
I must admit, this is somewhat chuckling to read. Here is the church sending off an assassin to kill a child who will have the power to make a decision equal to that of Eve made. A decision on which way the world will go. Yet the with the church, their is corruption, murder, betrayal and more, all in the name of serving God. Yet God is not the one in power, it is God's right hand man... whom is also waging this very war and using all the worlds church influence as Devine intervention in the name of God. Sound familiar?

Sounds like some of the mumbling one gets from some current sects of todays religion.

Most of religion, from my view, has moved with the times without compromising firmer morals. If it isn't overtly important, then they compromise and shift with society. Then you have these older sects that simply have no latitude to change. It is their way or the highway.

Lyra is the one to make a decision equivalent to that Eve made in the garden, yet the church wants to kill her and remain in control, in power, over the people. Does that sound religiously correct? Not IMHO... it sounds like a cult. It sounds like a sect who's so empowered they simply cannot imagine their world not under their control.

I think Lyra is going to unleash free will... or that is her role. Not sin and other nonsense as the church is defining. A very interesting spin on religion wrapped in fantasy, yet still bordering some truths. Maybe the answer is in an amalgamation of the worlds, were some old fashion values combined with modern and futuristic ones are the right combination. Not either, or.
 
Ok... they just beat Mrs Coulter from holding Lyra captive in the cave. Rescued her in an existing tear between worlds Will made, before breaking the knife. They've determined they need to get the knife to the bear for him to fix it...

I am really looking forward to the outcome of all this. Mrs Coulter seems to have sort of done right by Lyra, by nabbing and hiding her, though then she drugged Lyra to keep her asleep, claiming otherwise she would run. Though that in itself sounds still devilish to me, because Lyra would have gladly hidden for a brief period if told. I think Mrs Coulter was trying to keep her from her destiny, of making a choice. That didn't work out real well for her so far...
 
This is pretty interesting to pull apart actually. When they went to the land of the dead, death was not what it was supposed to be. Heaven or hell type event, instead everyone, everything, simply went to the same location, regardless of world, and were tormented for eternity.

Lyra and Will changed that, by not only going to the land of the dead alive, but tearing a hole and making a deal that allows the tormentors to adapt. Those who tell the truth and fill them with their life story honestly upon the journey, will be led to the tear in which they become dark matter, thus part of everything. They are universal souls and become part of all living consciousness.

If not, then they get to keep them and torment them. That sounds like Lyra and Will created a type of heaven and hell environment, that is not up to someone else, but each individual based on whether their honest or not. Redemption I guess you could say, even for the wicked, if they choose unknowingly.

I'm really liking the ending of this. Still got a hundred pages to read yet... but so far, so good.
 
Sounds like some of the mumbling one gets from some current sects of todays religion.

I'm not as far on as you Anthony so I haven't read your last two posts (don't want to spoil it).

I agree with your post Anthony, it is really hitting out at the church and it is always the innocent that get hurt (Lyra). Let's face facts; if she is part of a prophesy then there isn't much the church can do about it, it will pan out. I don't think it is sin she will bring into the world and by cutting peoples daemons (souls) from them the church will take away the freedom to choose good or evil.

Perhaps you are right Anthony, perhaps it will be free will she unleashes or perhaps it will be to expose the church for what they truly are. Such hypocrisy! Selling the love of God and then killing in His name! It reminds me of The Da Vinci Code with Opus Dei verses the Priory of Sion (both organisations exist in reality). I have my faith in God but I do not belong to any religious group and I don't practice any rituals. (I'm OK with others doing so but it isn't for me).

I think Lyra is a bit like that. She must find all the religion/anti-religion very confusing and so she takes a stand against both and moves towards what she believes is what is right for her.

She is brave and curious and I admire her character.

I wonder if the author has had difficulties with religion and if he is writing from experience.

This book could be quite triggering/stressing for anyone who has had bad experiences with religion.
 
Absolutely... to summate my understanding even simpler is to say: both sides have an agenda. One is to enforce and enslave religion upon everyone, otherwise suffer the consequences. The other is to remove religion, to remove individual choice, and enslave everyone to no beliefs. Both sides have an agenda.

What I really find quite interesting at this point, is that Lyra had to leave her daemon on the shores when entering the land of dead. She found Pant again, though she has discovered she no longer needs him to be constantly with her, just near enough to feel him, though allow him to live and enjoy beyond just being with her. Both her and Will's daemons become like a couple, even though Will never had one visible, it formed. Both discovered they have an emotional conscious within themselves, one represented and one not. They both, from my understanding and view on it, have taken a little of each others ability and found a compromise.
 
Ok, done.

I'm really impressed with this series, and it ended just as I thought. My understanding is that it isn't against religion at all, but instead against the sects of religion that are old, out-dated, and continually attempt to assert dominance and control, to do bad things to other, to lie, yet try and claim them as done in the name of good.

Lyra and Will had to make a decision, and that decision was not good or evil, but a choice. They had to choose the lesser of all evils for the better of all humanity in all worlds. They could leave one opening without affecting spectres or by it killing adults. They could be selfish and leave one open between their worlds so they could see each other, or they had to say goodbye forever to each other, leaving only the one they created for the land of the dead, so those honest souls could move through death and become part of everything around us all. They become dark matter. Dust. The universe.

I found this quite a profound read. Very enlightening.

One could really relate this in muslim religion. There are millions of muslims globally who are devote in doing good, living their lives helping others, etc etc. Then you have those small in number who corrupt the understanding and meaning, and attempt to justify doing evil in the name of good.

There is a huge history for both Christianity and Islam, in small parties giving both religions bad names. The majority of all within them are good people, doing good within the world. But there are always selfish individuals within, selfish groups, who try to justify their evil under religious indifferent meaning.

A truly eye opening read and enjoyable read.
 
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