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[Deleted member 28740]

(the Republican majority) voted to adjourn until July 5.

In the United States Congress, an adjournment of more than three days requires the consent of both houses (the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives).

Ryan ready for taking the GOP without having run for office. Keep all the important discussions and anything iffy - shut down the Gov't from doing their jobs and CSPAN to document the failure to represent.

 

[Anarchy]

shut down the Gov't from doing their jobs

That may be a bad thing for the politicians, their cronies and their cheerleaders in the press gallery, but it's no bad thing for the rest of us.

document the failure to represent.

political representation is a chimera, the question is not of representation but who is to be ruler and who the ruled, who wields the stick over whom, or who points the state sector guns at whom.
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The ones whom you would like to be wielding the stick are not in charge at the moment, they don't get to point the state sector guns at the 100 million or so private owners of guns and command them; "Give me"

 

[Deleted member 28740]

Back to Rights, death by guns in the US and connection to DV. The no fly list is a red herring. Universal back ground checks is the issue and what laws restrict the right to own. And what gun can be owned. And guns ammo, like Black Talon, etc. Laws state by state have lowered DV death rates. Do the constituents of those states that have improved effective background checks, and the controls over points of sale consider their 2nd Amendment rights to bear arms infringed upon?

What are the laws on carrying a Taser, in terms of right to bear arms. Not usually lethal. Not even pepper spray is a Right to carry.

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[Anarchy]

the no fly list is a red herring. Universal back ground checks is the issue

The no fly list is an instance of "background checks"

It's a real world one, warts and all.

It isn't a utopian, idealised,imaginary one - it is an example of what the real things actually look like in the flesh and in practice.

 

[EveHarrington]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/john-lewis-sit-in-gun-violence/

It says early in the...

Republican majority means republican rules------which say cspan broadcasting stops when not in session.

Yes, they are NOW adjourned for the holiday but that didn't happen until 16 hours into the sit in, after 3am in the morning I believe (I watched much of it.) The sit in started around 11am the previous day. Ryan et al kept coming back to session a number of times during the sit in to vote on stupid crap. The dems would chant/sing during these times to cause disruption. MSNBC kept switching back between cspan feed (when in session) and periscope (when not in session). I don't believe any other network had full coverage like that. (Faux News didn't, CNN didn't)

 

[EveHarrington]

It all boils down to Republicans being wussies! ALL of the house is up for re-election and none want to be held accountable to their constituents! Upwards of 90% of Americans want responsible gun legislation.

The minority party in the house is essentially powerless. There is no filibuster in the house. They can be ignored completely. No wonder they resulted to doing what they did.

When dems take back the house, republicans will have NO voice! It's gonna be grand.

 

[Anarchy]

Upwards of 90% of Americans want responsible gun legislation

could you link the poll and the actual question it asked?

Sales figures for AR and AK type rifles since the 1990s are hardly reflective of that wish

 

[EveHarrington]

could you link the poll and the actual question it asked?

Sales figures for AR and AK type rifles sinc...

It's a recent poll so quoting statistics from 1990 isn't really a fair comparison.

 

[Anarchy]

Very high sales of AR and AK type rifles on the American market is a trend which is still very much continuing, it began in about 1990. It certainly didn't end then.

FBI background checks are a proxy estimate for gun sales; take a look at the trend over time, there's a block chart of it here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/smith-wesson-revenues-hit-all-time-high-200-obama-election

That trend certainly does not suggest 90% of the population in favour of restrictions.

1.87 Million background checks requested for the month of May 2016!
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incidentally when time allows, I'll be critiquing the methodology, findings and (miserable single year) data used in the VPC propaganda piece that purports to link gun availability to domestic homicide.

 

[Anarchy]

There are some fresh figures up and a chart showing background check rates since they were introduced under Clinton. They give some idea of the increasing trend in gun sales in the united state
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/2016-gun-sales-pace-shatter-last-years-record

Dilbert's creater, Scott Adams has an interesting insight into the contrasting and irreconcilable positions of those who view guns as a threat and those who view not having guns as a threat; http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146307088451/why-gun-control-cant-be-solved-in-the-usa

 

[Deleted member 28740]

Rights of an individual not by proxy.

proxy estimate for gun sales

PROXY:

FBI background checks are a proxy estimate for gun sales;

noun, plural proxies.
1.
the agency, function, or power of a person authorized to act as the deputy or substitute for another.
2.
the person so authorized; substitute; agent.
3.
a written authorization empowering another person to vote or act for the signer, as at a meeting of stockholders.
4.
an ally or confederate who can be relied upon to speak or act in one's behalf.
noun, plural proxies.
1.
the agency, function, or power of a person authorized to act as the deputy or substitute for another.
2.
the person so authorized; substitute; agent.
3.
a written authorization empowering another person to vote or act for the signer, as at a meeting of stockholders.
4.
an ally or confederate who can be relied upon to speak or act in one's behalf.

 

[Anarchy]

your point being?

my point;
There are no figures available for actual gun sales in the united state,
Therefore, FBI background checks are used as a proxy to stand in place of and to closely represent the gun sales figures

are the figures obtained by use of that proxy, consistent with Eve's assertion that polls show that 90% of the American population want...?