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Other Dissociative disorder not otherwise specified without huge sexual abuse??
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Hi and welcome here. I am sure you will get a lot of helpful support.
Have you been diagnosed? I just ask as I know how extreme others things and depersonalisation etc can be without falling under DDNOS. I feel like I am at war with myself. Not saying you don't fit of course!
As far as I understand it there needs to be severe repeated and early trauma for full personality splits to occur. It needs to be happening young as it is whilst the personality is being shaped that the ability apparently develops. That's the way I understand it anyway.
Are you possibly discounting other types of criterion A trauma?
Have you been diagnosed? I just ask as I know how extreme others things and depersonalisation etc can be without falling under DDNOS. I feel like I am at war with myself. Not saying you don't fit of course!
As far as I understand it there needs to be severe repeated and early trauma for full personality splits to occur. It needs to be happening young as it is whilst the personality is being shaped that the ability apparently develops. That's the way I understand it anyway.
Are you possibly discounting other types of criterion A trauma?
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Any abuse is abuse and can traumatize anyone ... I don't think it's helpful for you to think it was 'minimal'.
DDNOS is not the same as DID - where full personality splits occur - DDNOS doesn't require personality splits. Its dissociation.
since dissociation is a symptom of PTSD - have you asked why you have the diagnosis of DDNOS as well?
DDNOS is not the same as DID - where full personality splits occur - DDNOS doesn't require personality splits. Its dissociation.
since dissociation is a symptom of PTSD - have you asked why you have the diagnosis of DDNOS as well?
Actually it is true that DDNOS (or OSDD I think it is now called) doesn't only deal with personality splits that don't fit under DID. Apologies if that isn't what you meant. I always assume a little as people seem to mostly discuss it in this context.
It can also be a catch all for other dissociative issues that don't fall under the other categories cleanly and that can include dissociative trance conditions and mixture of other things I think. If it is more these issues then trauma doesn't have to be involved at all for some symptoms and as far as I know then there isn't the same specifications at all as those involved with personality splits (whether partial or full).
Conditions such as Depersonalisation Disorder can even be linked to depression and anxiety disorders and are common in Borderline Personality Disorder too.
Its the personality splits that require early and severe repeated trauma from how I understand it.
I disagree that all abuse can cause trauma though. Things such as repeated long term verbal cruelty can fall under emotional abuse but not traumatise someone for example. Horrible though.
Disclaimer here: I am no expert.
It can also be a catch all for other dissociative issues that don't fall under the other categories cleanly and that can include dissociative trance conditions and mixture of other things I think. If it is more these issues then trauma doesn't have to be involved at all for some symptoms and as far as I know then there isn't the same specifications at all as those involved with personality splits (whether partial or full).
Conditions such as Depersonalisation Disorder can even be linked to depression and anxiety disorders and are common in Borderline Personality Disorder too.
Its the personality splits that require early and severe repeated trauma from how I understand it.
I disagree that all abuse can cause trauma though. Things such as repeated long term verbal cruelty can fall under emotional abuse but not traumatise someone for example. Horrible though.
Disclaimer here: I am no expert.
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Thanks for the replies. It is helpful (though sometimes very hard!) to read others' experiences. It is hard to imagine anyone IRL understanding what it is like to be me. Thankfully, some of the stuff I've read here has helped me understand that I am not completely unique (unfortunately) and that SOMEONE might understand my inner world.
There were plenty of other types of ongoing abuse early on. I might not have believed it because of the lies (and mind control?) but there are reports from another family member that corroborate it. As I peruse the other threads though, I just note that others have suffered FAR worse than I have. And T asked about sexual abuse and seemed surprised that I didn't report more.
I haven't asked about other diagnoses. The therapeutic relationship I have is very new (maybe 12 wks) and T doesn't encourage my looking at things so closely, as she feels it perpetuates the abuse. Besides that, I'm a little afraid to ask more because even though a label helps my understanding and validates my experience, I pay for it later when another part is more in play.
I don't have distinct personalities, as it were, more like parts of myself that very often conflict. The DDNOS came up after a very difficult session where I called T (crying) shortly after to see if we could start spacing sessions out more because the 'war' as some have described it, was so intense (and had been for about a month). She had me do some sort of inventory the next visit and then scored it.
I have lots of derealization, lots of what T describes as amnesiac episodes (lost keys, phone, etc from moment to moment). And whole years where I have fragments of memory only. Very, very frustrating.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts about this.
There were plenty of other types of ongoing abuse early on. I might not have believed it because of the lies (and mind control?) but there are reports from another family member that corroborate it. As I peruse the other threads though, I just note that others have suffered FAR worse than I have. And T asked about sexual abuse and seemed surprised that I didn't report more.
I haven't asked about other diagnoses. The therapeutic relationship I have is very new (maybe 12 wks) and T doesn't encourage my looking at things so closely, as she feels it perpetuates the abuse. Besides that, I'm a little afraid to ask more because even though a label helps my understanding and validates my experience, I pay for it later when another part is more in play.
I don't have distinct personalities, as it were, more like parts of myself that very often conflict. The DDNOS came up after a very difficult session where I called T (crying) shortly after to see if we could start spacing sessions out more because the 'war' as some have described it, was so intense (and had been for about a month). She had me do some sort of inventory the next visit and then scored it.
I have lots of derealization, lots of what T describes as amnesiac episodes (lost keys, phone, etc from moment to moment). And whole years where I have fragments of memory only. Very, very frustrating.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts about this.
rightkindofme
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Hey, don't pay attention to whether or not other people have suffered "worse" than you. Such comparisons aren't useful. The amount of suffering a person feels after a given trauma is related to so many different factors that they just simply cannot be compared.
We are all different. We cope how we cope. I'm glad you are finding some support. :)
We are all different. We cope how we cope. I'm glad you are finding some support. :)
Oh I am so sorry you felt like you had to discount what you experienced. The site is full of all sorts of trauma. From natural disasters to medical procedures to war to abuse of all types and more.
I feel like you do and relate strongly to feeling that my reactions are big overreactions to my experiences. When my brain is working properly then I can say that some peoples experiences are worse than mine but that is not relevant to me or my healing. That my experiences and reactions are what they are. That that is valid. My brain very rarely works properly sadly.
I don't know about you but it seems to me I treat myself just as others have treated me. The same words the same stuff.
I hope I am not invalidating what you are experiencing as I obviously don't know how it looks or feels for you but I relate to this a lot. Various things have been keeping me from therapy and dealing with the PTSD. Mostly there is such internal backlash whenever I attempt to say that anything happened; anything harmed me; when I describe a symptom; when I say I have PTSD or that I am not OK that it has even become physical at times.
I have been working on quietening it down and it has improved. I would never have been able to have this conversation or even post on this site regularly at one point.
It's absolutely exhausting and extremely tedious and frustrating.
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