News Donald Trump's Popularity To Date

[Anarchy]

We don't know how the no fly lists are compiled, and what rating and weighting systems might be used.

Probably the best developed data mining systems so far are the ones used by Google .

I'll give a few brief examples

if you got confirmation of a flight through an email to a gmail account, try looking at the airport on google maps - it will have your date of flight shown in a bubble on the airport - google tracks your movements and what you buy.

If you are posting photos through G+, it will ask you to label the photos that have human faces on http://arc-team-open-research.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/anthropolog.html (google tracks who your friends are, and what they look like)

The link shows that the facial recognition software (at least up to the time of that blog post) was not good enough to discriminate real humans from photo realistic art work.

The adds which google sends you, and the search suggestions and youtube suggestions which it comes up with are often fairly spurious too - or at least they are for me.

So, Google probably has the best automated datamining capability available, but it still throws up some seriously spurious conclusions (the targetted adds and search suggestions which it feeds to you).

The automated side of the NSA and the other three letter agencies - I seriously doubt if they are as good at it as google is - are going to be at least equally spurios

To me that is both comforting because I don't want a 1984 style panopticon society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon, and it is worrying because people are getting droned on the basis of that system's ratings.

and similar datamining is probably being used to compile the no fly lists...

 

[Deleted member 28740]

Ryan check mate.

Paul Ryan made clear he would not try to obstruct any rebellion against Trump by delegates in Cleveland.

“They write the rules, they make the decisions,” he told NBC’s Meet the Press. “All I want to make sure is to make sure it is done above board, clearly, honestly and by the rules.”

As the highest-ranking Republican in Congress, Ryan will serve as chairman of the party’s convention in late July, when delegates won through primaries formally elect a nominee.

He added: “I see my role, now that he’s got the plurality [of delegates], he actually won, is pretty much a ceremonial position. But the last thing I am going to do is weigh in and tell delegates what to do.”


HHHHAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA.

Delegates elect in the US not voters, seemingly.

 

[EveHarrington]

I love it when republican leaders don't want to lead!

 

[prayingforpeace]

I doubt anyone would want to share their opinion about WHY they actually did support Trump when they will most likely be attacked personally... I'm guessing this thread was started for more rhetorical reasons...?

I am not a fan of Trump. I am not a fan of Clinton either, but obviously based on poll numbers people support both.

I don't believe that all Trump supporters are just stupid, ignorant, irrational, uneducated or insane. I would love to know the factual reasons why anyone supports their candidate of choice without making fun of them as individuals. I believe the only way to truly work TOGETHER in American politics is to begin to respect the opinions of others. We expect our politicians to "work together" but we as citizens rarely do. There are many people out there who would say things just as insulting about Democrats as I've seen here about republicans, and I can assure you, not all Democrats are educated! Not all Democrats are "sane". I'm originally from NJ btw. I've known both sides well and I can say that regardless the side, most just love their country and want the best for her. We choose a "side" based on life experience, not simply out of stupidity or hate. Well, most of us anyway. No one wants to be personally attacked for their beliefs, nor do I not want to be for mine.

I actually cringe anticipating the responses I'll get. Does everyone have a right to their opinion or only those that agree with us?

 

[prayingforpeace]

I don't think it's funny to compare Trump to Hitler. I guess I may be alone in this opinion but I think we need to stop that. I get that it's done for effect but It seems more respectful of the jews and others who suffered to leave that alone. To make that comparison, IHO lessens the horrifying atrocities perpetrated by Hitler. He was a madman who ACTED out a near genocide. Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc. I thank God they are in the past. Building a wall is not the same as genocide.

 

[Anarchy]

Hi Prayingforpeace,

Before wondering why politics brings about such animosity, you need to ask;

• what is politics?
• what it is for doing?
• and how does it do those things?

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With regard to Hitler, or more correctly Benito Mussolini
Neither candidate is very far removed from his core policies. If anything Killery* is probably the closer.

and in terms of worship of state, collectivism within that state and worship of dying for that exceptionalist state in war...

or in terms of the maintainance of the illusion of private ownership of the means of production but with massive central regulation and direction of those means of production...

The American population appear to be in a great deal of agreement with where Mussolini was

let's call the spade for what it is - present day political concensus in America and most of Europe is actually very close to Mussolini's fascism.
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*look at her foreign policy for why I'm referring to her in that way

 

[prayingforpeace]

Just reading up on Mussolini's fascism, and seems you may be onto something...

I guess my hope for mutual respect regardless of the outcome of elections is basically naive.

Guess, for my own sanity, I should remain active in other topics. LOL

:)

 

[scout86]

I don't believe that all Trump supporters are just stupid, ignorant, irrational, uneducated or insane.

I don't think that either. And I'd LOVE to hear a well thought out set of reasons for supporting him. One of my all time best friends was a die hard conservative. We debated this stuff to death. (Drove everyone around us nuts.) In the end, we usually found our basic values were the same, we just took opposite approaches to solving problems. In the end, I think being able to debate this stuff, while respecting each other, was very valuable. So, I really do think people are entitled to their opinions and I'm interested in hearing what they are.

I don't think it's funny to compare Trump to Hitler.

I don't think it is either. And I've made the comparison here a couple of times. @Anarchy is probably right, that Mussolini is probably a better comparison. Hitler gets my point across a little better, I think, because he's got more name recognition. My point in making the comparison is that both are/were charismatic individuals who were capable of stirring up a crowd and getting people to follow them without a whole lot of deep thought on their parts. And Hitler wasn't some revolutionary who seized control of his country by force. He did it with rhetoric, and by fanning the flames of fear of "the other", and by getting elected to office. I have NO IDEA what Trump might be capable of, if he gets elected. And that's my biggest concern. I don't see anything to suggest that there's any kind of check on his ego. I think any group he decides is "the other" could be in a lot of trouble. And I think the only thing that prevents a reoccurrance of Nazi Germany (or Fascist Italy) is an awareness of how they happened and a willingness to believe that it CAN happen here.

 

[prayingforpeace]

Scout86,

After reading through only the first page of posts, my thought was that if there was a person who supported trump, why in the heck would they want to say so in that environment with as many insults toward the followers of trump? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I just think it's more difficult to voice an opposing view in such an environment. For instance, if I was to speak about the list of reasons I do not support Hillary in this election, I would not go on to say that anyone who does support her is an idiot or insane. That has been done here. The insults are not JUST directed at Trump but anyone who'd support him. That is the issue I wanted to comment on.

The Hitler tie in. Although I don't like Trump, I do not, personally, believe he is capable of changing the entire mindset of America into believing we should commit a genocide. I think, possibly naively that there are not as many people today, willing to "follow" someone like Hitler blindly. Trump is "hanging" himself with his own words. I have to believe we would not go down that road again, but I understand your fear that it "could" happen. I will agree with you that his rhetoric could be considered similar to that of Hitler regarding Muslims but not so much Mexicans. I do not personally believe he wants to kill anyone. I have read more about why people see the connection and I see the comparisons you're mentioning. I don't see the connection between Trump and fascism though. I can see the connection between Hillary and fascism much clearer. I'd be interested in any thoughts you have on that. Ok, I think I can see connections to both candidates. But BOTH, not just Trump.

I think the following quote is what I'd agree to most:

"The difference however is that Adolf Hitler, as far back as the 1920s, really did see Jews as sub-human animals and intended full well to exterminate them if he ever got into power. Donald Trump, for a reason only he may understand, probably does think he's doing the right thing and that his views are for the good of the country and he does not wish harm on anyone. It is doubtful Trump would ever have death camps opened, kidnap children for medical experiments, or invade other countries to purge North America of other religions as Hitler did in Europe." Quote taken from Quora regarding "Why are people comparing Donald Trump to Hitler"

The people I have spoken with who support Trump (neighbors) have not used any kind of hateful language or shown any "boiling under the surface" bigotry. I think there are people who want manufacturing jobs brought back to this country. I think they are tired of America being the whipping boy of the world in terms of being the cause of the worlds problems. I don't even think most people who agree with the "wall" see it as a secret way to say "lets kill mexicans" and take everything away from them. I think they just want to protect their southern border just like every other country on earth does. I think if you take a look at the policies of each political candidate in the most conspiratorial "light" possible you can come up with why they are terrible for our country. Maybe Trump is truly an evil villain, but I have faith that most of those that do think he has great ideas are not. Again, maybe I am naive.

 

[Ellabella44]

the loophole has landed. Lets see if they use it.

concientious objection

"Under the proposal, delegates could be granted conscientious objector status, thereby freeing them from their pledge to vote as they are bound as the result of primaries and caucuses. The measure, first put forward by Colorado delegate Kendal Unruh, would undo the strict ‘faithless-delegate’ rule enacted at the GOP convention in 2012 and allow a “vote of conscience, whether personal or religious” by delegates."

http://time.com/4373819/gop-considers-conscientious-objector-rule-for-delegates-donald-trump/

 

[EveHarrington]

To me, those who passively accept hatred are just as bad as those who actively spread hatred. That is, those who support trump for "business" reasons while ignoring his hateful rhetoric are just as guilty as those who support trump for hateful reasons. And just as bad as trump himself. It's kind of how Hitler rose to power------

IMHO comparisons to Hitler are not disrespectful to holocaust survivors. If anything, those killed in the holocaust aren't sitting up in heaven saying "oh, these comparisons are so un-PC!"-----more like they're saying "heck yeah! Open up people's eyes so it never happens again!" Trump makes hateful remarks pretty much every day. He's even said he could shoot someone and could get away with it! He makes comments about doing things on his own as president and not needing congress. If this isn't a red flag waving, the size of Jupiter------

Now that I've heard this particular PC push, I really do think I've heard it all.

 

[Anarchy]

@prayingforpeace

a candidate doesn't need to have a policy of killing people for it to happen

The policies of both candidates and both parties right now, are working in that direction

it's not quick and easy to explain, I've done it at some length in a series of comments earlier in this thread, starting here

https://www.myptsd.com/threads/donald-trumps-popularity-to-date.55545/page-11#post-975973

The refs I mentioned by Mayer, Mises, Roepke, Flynn and Hayek are all highly recommended