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[Justmehere]

Glenn Beck isn't a reporter. Full on opinion guy. His media outlet, the Blaze is actually willing to post good and bad about Trump but Beck is all opinion and all neverTrump. I wish reporters portrayed his commentator status correctly...

One other thing to add, the Washington Times and the Washington Post are both right leaning. The Times originally claimed the Post was liberal and was trying to intentionally be a more right leaning source. So you may hear the Post being called a liberal leaning site by even more right sources. The Times annoys me though because they claim a bias on purpose but don't make that bias clear to their readers like others do, and the Post is already right...

But this goes to show that different people claim what is "center" or "objective" or right or left differently these days.

Sigh.

I have heard from primary source, a credible witness, i.e. a RNC official that has the books that RNC funds to support Trump through the general has been pulled.

It was actually pretty interesting where the conversation went from there. I'm waiting for more info and verification before commenting about it. It was nothing that shocking about Trump, but surprising to me about what the RNC is saying internally about why they won't pull support for Trump for now. It had little to do with Trump and all about the 14 million who voted for him.

There is also a line that Trump could cross where the RNC powers that be would yank the nomination, but he hasn't crossed that line yet. I don't know where the line is located. I'm not sure I believe there is one. I actually think it was a little naive on the part of this party official.

And see - my own bias against the party system surfaces in my own informal comments. We all have biases... :)

 

[Deleted member 12723]

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[lostforgottensoul]

We all have biases..

Indeed.

And i know Glen Beck is an opinion guy rather than a reporter but i liked that he'd go and "teach" history as it gave me a shit ton to research. Seriously, i watched his show just because it gave me research material.

I get bored easily lol.

He just got suspended by SiriumXM http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/31/media/glenn-beck-suspension-siriusxm/

I think him coming out as being libertarian gave the party a bad name. Just my opinion.

 

[hodge]

50 Republican national security officials assess that Trump would be the "most reckless president in American history" in a letter they issued today:

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This is pretty huge.

 

[Justmehere]

Yes! Evan McMullin's campaign announcement to run as an independent even though he has been a registered republican along with a number of states who are trying to force the RNC to have an emergency meeting.... It doesn't look good for Trump right now. All RNC funding has been pulled from Trump. (I don't have new articles to support that - I was told that from an RNC official directly. If I see it verified anywhere I'll post that.)

Much of the GOP is trying to stop Trump.

Trump will escalate in calling the GOP "establishment" corrupt and saying the election is rigged, once again, just as he said when he lost states in the primary.

Not sure what happens next....

 

[hodge]

Wow, that RNC funding has been pulled from Trump will come out sooner or later and be a major story. This all really is unprecedented.

 

[Justmehere]

Yeah, I can't get a handle on what's happening in the GOP. The powers that be are apparently balking at every attempt to get rid of Trump and even Kendal Unruh and a number of scholars are pessimistic about the efforts to remove him as the nominee.

The main issue from RNC officials isn't Trump is amazing, but rather that 14 million voted for him.

17 million voted for someone else and even if only 7 people voted for someone else, we are a representative democracy and the party allows for taking away the nomination in order to prevent the majority from voting themselves a tyrant or otherwise falls apart as a nation - which eventually happens in most direct democracies.

 

[Justmehere]

They may not be able to remove him but they are certainly not helping Trump! My goodness it is truly unprecedented how many within a nominees own party are coming out against him!

 

[hodge]

we are a representative democracy and the party allows for taking away the nomination in order to prevent the majority from voting themselves a tyrant or otherwise falls apart as a nation - which eventually happens in most direct democracies.

Wow, this is an actual rule in the GOP? I wasn't aware of that, but I think it's a good one. Yeah, unfortunately, you are right about direct democracies. I don't think we've ever been in danger of this before even though we had not been a direct democracy.

 

[Justmehere]

This explains the current avenues being explored the best - all of which depend on a Trump withdrawal though - which the nevertrumpers are trying to force to happen by the RNC withdrawing support and/or otherwise declaring the nomination vacant: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...dump-donald-trump-but-it-has-to-act-fast.html

Rule 9 states: "The Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States, as nominated by the national convention, or the Republican National Committee may reconvene the national convention for the purpose of filling any such vacancies." They would likely reconvene and vote remotely - but the process to get them to reconvene AND get the RNC to pick someone else is brutal.

The meaning of "otherwise" and "vacancy" is currently being debated, because it's not limited in the rules at all anywhere. But, the general assumed purpose of the rules in the past has been to replace any nominee if needed.

The rules if anyone wants to see the rules directly:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S14090314.pdf

Rule 12 also allows them to amend and change the rules at any point during the election. This rule used to only allow changes before the nomination, but it was changed this year to allow changes after nomination. (the neverTrump delegates fought for this, while the Trump delegates fought to get rid of the ability to make amendments entirely.)

It's a mess!

 

[Justmehere]

Something else to explain, delegates are not all members of the RNC. The actual RNC only consists of 168 people. 2 from every state and a handful of other "committee men" and "committee women." In order to have anything happen with the RNC, 16 RNC members from 16 states have to sign a petition to reconvene. Then the 168 would vote within 10-20 days on replacing Trump. So it's an extreme long shot....

The RNC is mostly pro-party above all else, and thus pro-Trump. This effort to get this meeting is being lead by RNC committee member, Regina Thompson from.... Colorado.

Because ya know, Colorado. Never a state to let a thing go. :) :) :) But this is why 16 states have to sign the petition, to make sure it's not just one state calling for something.

All the same, the RNC *despises* Colorado at the moment. They have threatened to pull all national funding from Colorado too. It's not a happy relationship. The Colorado GOP chair has tried to stay neutral and tried to get the Colorado GOP to stop all the neverTrump, but everyone else has kinda handled it with an attitude of "yeah well, don't let the door hit you on the way out" or like William Wallace in Braveheart, only charging across the political landscape with cries of NEVER!

I would not be surprised if Colorado spearheads the GOP side of the #impeachTrump campaign if he gets elected at this point. Really. Seriously.

It's interesting because it's a HUGE shift, even for Colorado. The plan was for them to try to stop him at the convention, and if they lost there, to give up on Trump and go get more involved in local Senate and House races. The convention was handled so badly that it only fired up everyone to forsake that and continue to oppose Trump.

This is a pattern with Trump. He will win a matter, but does it in a way that he turns acquaintances or even possible friends into passionate enemies because he goes after them in an unfair manner to shut them down entirely. He doesn't let a thing go, but seeks revenge.... and people either become silent and scared and give in... or they react and are passionately against him. Colorado's GOP has mostly picked the latter path to follow, very much fueled by new info coming forward about what Trump did at the convention. It's shocking. I'm waiting for outside verification, but it's so dishonest and cruel, and he wasn't going to lose the nomination, so it's like just excessive lying and strong arming people for strong arming sake. There was no purpose, that's what is especially scary.

He first exhibited this pattern decades ago with how he would stalk reporters for years and years who reported anything slightly negative about him. It's not new, and it's not going away no matter how much the GOP tries to confront and control this.

 

[hodge]

This is all very interesting. I'm looking forward to that outside verification.

But good for those Coloradoans. Some things you just can't let go of with a good conscience.