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"Inner child" talk not helping?

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It sounds to me like imagining or imagination based approaches don't fit for you and that is of course OK. We are all different. Like Shimmerz I don't find CBT helpful at all but most people do. It took me a long time to allow myself to just own that and do what worked better. For me.

The inner child thing is again something you have tried extensively and hasn't worked. Fine. I absolutely don't think imagining the inner child is the only way to change things in the present. Or deal with the past.

What I will say though comes back to the idea of separation from the past that you mentioned. I was reading up and listening to lectures on dissociation and its role pre, during and after trauma and how that could potentially effect the long term development of PTSD and at long last one academic video really hit one fact home for me - that PTSD is essentially when we section experiences off and don't integrate them. I knew that before but only partially. So what I will say is that if part of the disownment of this young you is a way of separating yourself from what happened and to you then you probably need to work on that. It doesn't mean you have to do inner child work. Just to accept you as a person that has a whole history and lifetime of experiences. Some of them traumatic and some of them healing. If you truly want to deal with the past and make a better future for yourself then acknowledging it all is important as an aim. If you can accept that all that happened to you, Dogwood Tree, and you now want to work on changing how you respond to situations in the present then I think that is a perfectly legitimate and possible endeavour.

What has worked for me? I try to do the opposite of separating out or splitting myself. I love the idea of an inner adult mode that Justme mentioned. In fact "inner adult" would still feel too much and too splitting and stress me a bit. What I do find helpful at times is a little basic Transactional Analyses. One can check to see if we are in Adult, Child or Parent mode. You, now, in the present but with different functions that we all have. Its easy to do a little check to see where I or others are coming from.

When it comes to the main difficulty you are dealing with: feeling powerful and autonomous and being able to make self caring decisions whilst in certain situations - I too found Pete Walker helpful. The 4 f's and the stuff around them. That is what made the most difference to me. I did work on emotions, actions, my feelings of having a right to them, and practicing using them. Checking if they matched the situation. DBT was helpful. Self connection and mindfulness. As you previously mentioned, learning new skills. Ones I was never taught or in fact was taught the opposite. And grounding of course.

If you think what happens in these situations and your lack of ability to say what you feel then what is it that is actually underneath that for you? Do you go into a state where you don't believe you have a right to an autonomous voice? Do you fear your husband. Are you dissociated. Are you frozen. Are you in flashback or does it happen even if not. What are your beliefs around intimacy and marriage. Around woman and men. How assertive are you usually. In the present not the past. Have you spoken to your husband about this and looked at ways he could help. Not sure how much work you have done on these things, directly.
 
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Every so often my T brings up the topic of my "inner child" and lately it's come up more often. I started studying about inner child work over 2 decades ago, and I've honestly tried to embrace that kind of approach to healing. But it's been completely useless for me. Sometimes it's even been counter-productive.

Today after my session, I went searching online for articles or forum discussions talking about inner child work not being helpful, or being contraindicated. I can't find anything taking this perspective! Is this so bizarre that I feel this way? Or is it more normal than my google searches have revealed?

I've tried so, so, so many times to see that child I used to be as someone to value and protect, as being a part of myself that deserves love and recognition and nurturing. But it doesn't work. It doesn't feel real or relevant or helpful. When I was a kid, I was awkward and weird and closed off from people. I was diagnosed with autism a few years ago, so that's a big part of the explanation for my weirdness. Plus coming from such a dysfunctional family with the abuse going on, it was a perfect storm. As I've gotten older, it's been like slowly emerging from a very long, dark tunnel as I become increasingly aware of the world around me, and people, and how relationships work, and my place in all this. Even now at 45 years old, I can look back just a year ago and see myself as being so blinded and living in the dark compared to today. Each passing year brings more awakening and revelation and awareness.

Why in the world would I want to value the ignorance and darkness and weirdness of my youth? All of that is what I want to leave behind. I don't want any part of it anymore. Talking about loving and nurturing and protecting my "inner child" feels repulsive and disgusting to me, like I'd be moving in the wrong direction.

Before you ask, yes, I've talked about this with my T. I don't think he's convinced yet that this is a pointless topic of conversation for me, and maybe I'm the one who will be surprised if he finds some kind of key to unlock my affection for who I used to be (or for who I am now). But I can't just pretend to love who I used to be. I don't feel that way towards my younger self. I don't even feel that way towards myself today. (I know someone is going to say...well, if I could learn to love the child I used to be, I would then learn to love myself today...I've truly tried that approach, many times over the years, and it's been fruitless.) If anything, the more I progress in therapy, the more I'm being able to acknowledge the ways I'm weird (autistic traits, PTSD issues, personality differences), and realizing I don't want to subject people to those things about myself, and choosing to further isolate myself. I believe the more I "become myself", the more withdrawn and bizarre and weird I'm going to get. And it's not fair to subject people to those things. (I'm sure someone will point out, it's the other person's choice of whether to have a relationship with me and my weird traits, and I shouldn't make that choice for them. But when I try to approach relationships that way, the only people who spend time around me by choice are people who feel sorry for me and offer occasional "friendship" just because I don't have any other friends. I refuse to be anyone's pity project anymore.)

At any rate, basically, I guess I'm trying to find ways to describe to my T how I experience this topic and how I think about myself over the course of my life. Him suggesting that I try to "love" my inner child isn't helping. First, I don't really even know what "love" is. I don't "feel loved" by other people, even my DH or kids. I feel needed, and I feel responsible for various things, and I recognize actions they take that come from a place of commitment and loyalty to me. But I don't "feel" their love for me. So asking me to "feel loved by myself" is pointless.

I do feel what I think is love towards my kids and DH...it's a sense of intense commitment to their well-being, a level of unconditional acceptance, a desire to nurture and protect their freedom. And I can imagine that they might feel that way towards me. But I don't get a warm-and-fuzzy feeling of "being loved." So even if I manage to foster those kinds of attitudes toward my younger self, I wouldn't get any benefit from it, because I never figured out how to receive the feeling of being loved.

Mostly, I think I'm just not suited to human relationships beyond the work I do and the ways in which I serve other people's needs. I don't see myself as lovable, able to give/receive real affection, enjoyable, or personable (unless I'm performing/masking, which is common for women on the spectrum, and then it's only a performance for the other person's benefit, not my real self). I think the less I'm around other people, the better off they are. My weirdness isn't the cute or funny or admirable kind of weirdness that people see in characters like Big Bang Theory's Sheldon. If I'm not carefully masking, people think of me as being "off" and tend to avoid me. It's easier just to not even expose myself to people rather than experience my inability to fit in when being myself.

But as I've gotten older, I've developed more and more skills for doing a better job of masking. I've worked hard to learn those skills. I've slowly gotten better at learning what people expect from me, and giving them some version of that. Why would I want to treasure my earlier ignorance when I'm working so hard to abolish that ignorance?

I hope this doesn't come across as cold or harsh or angry. (I know the inner child stuff has been helpful to a lot of people, and I don't want to discount that.) I've progressed to a point where I can discuss this without the intense anger and pain and resentment from being bullied and ignored and rejected so many times in my life from the people I wanted to be friends with. I understand more now what they saw about me that was so repulsive to them, and I don't blame them for wanting distance from me. Now I'm trying to find my way through the trauma therapy, but this inner child stuff either is pointless, or perhaps there's something about it I just haven't figured out and I need to keep working on it. I'm open to that possibility. It just seems like, if it was going to help, trying that approach so many times over 2 decades would have produced some fruit already.
Have you tried writing a letter to "this child" ? I read an article about this once and as you continue to write and answer yourself, the handwriting changes to reveal how this "inner child" actually feels. Except, now, as the adult (also) you can tell the "child" what it needs to hear - exactly how it needs to hear it. Just a thought.
 
@DogwoodTree i keep meaning to find this thread and say: I really hope I didn't trigger you. I should have let you lead more. If I was in your shoes it would likely have got me. Hope you doing OK/
 
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