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Is There Hope For The Future

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Jimmy1

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It's 3 am here and I am simply not tired. So I thought I would ramble on.

Alrighty, we all know that we are stuck with PTSD for life, or are we??? It can be managed....

There are a lot of veterans out there that don't even know there is a name for what they are experiencing or how they are feeling. For some their life has just turned to shit, their partner has left them and taken the kids, some of them are discharging and moving out into the sticks to get away from society, but the problems are still there, some of them act out and get locked up, but the problems are still there, some of them self medicate and hit the bottle or the other illicit drugs and end up losing everything they own, but the problems are still there, yet there are (I don't know if you can call them lucky) the lucky ones who find out early on what they are experiencing and what is happening and have a choice.

Now, with PTSD I have to ask a question. Do we follow what is written in a book, or do we look for ways to survive by ourselves, well I would like to think it's the latter.

Nobody is entitled to say that their trauma is any worse than anyone else's. Usually it's the other way round. I remember sitting in a group therapy session and listening to some of the other veterans talking about what they had gone through and thinking to myself, they are way worse off than me.
Generally most veterans have multiple traumas though; and unless they see a good therapist and even if they do, it might take years to drag each trauma that is bothering them and deal with it so it's just like a bad memory and in the majority of the cases they never will manage to deal with them all.

This, in my opinion is what sets veterans apart from the standard person with PTSD. Those people who have gone through a motor wreck, or a natural disaster, or even a rape. Yes, they have been through a life threatening experiece and have witnessed death (usually), but most of the time it is a one off event. And if they do seek help and therapy, they can lead a semi normal life.
Us as veterans have layer upon layer of experiences though, where we have either looked death in the eye ourselves, or seen the aftermath up close and personal.

But I believe there is hope for the future though...............................

Right now society knows there is a problem out there, so do the higher ranks, and so to the politicians, and they want to do something about it because in the long run it is costing them money and manpower.

Young soldiers of today should be screened by experienced personnel after every patrol. It could be done. Lets face it, some of us guys on here could ask a series of questions and could tell by the answers and the expressions on the faces whether they honestly have a problem couldn't we.
That way we might have a hope of changing it from a horrific experience or life changing experience into just a bad memory.

But the veterans have to want to do it and want to get better. They have to want to have a future.

You see, I have seen many a person who have had one or two trauma's in their lives, and some of these have been veterans. They think because the DSM IV says, because it has been longer than three months they have chronic or acute PTSD and they cannot be cured or lead a normal life. Well, that's bullshit. You see a lot of it on the other forum. They go on and on and on about the one or two incidents. Whereas if they were to go to a therapist and talk through that one or those couple of incidents I believe they could lead a next to normal life. It might take them a little while, but I believe it's possible.

I have also seen people on here that refuse to take medication or refuse to go to therapy. They believe it just does not work, or they think they have tried everything, yet their lives are falling down around their ears. You would have to ask the question whether they just love drama in their lives.

I have also seen and heard from people that believe that because they have PTSD they have to be nasty and angry. Well yes, someone with untreated PTSD is not a nice person to be around, but once they know they have PTSD, you would think they would do everything in their power change that wouldn't you. Sadly it's not the case.

I know I can be a nasty person and have been a horrible person to live with, and I know I will a have my moments in the future, it's the nature of the beast. But I am going to do everything in my power, i am never going to stop looking for the right medications, the right therapies and I am never going to stop trying to lead a normal life, well as much as a normal life that I can.
 
I believe as you do Jimmy, that you have to look for and work toward getting better and learning how to lead as normal a life as possible. Problem is; it's not easy. It takes some really hard work, really hard work. You also have to look at yourself, really look. I know I'm repeating some things but there's a reason. And the reason comes down to a question. Do you want to get better or not?

At first it's a question that keeps popping up and it's not easy to answer. You might think it is but it's not. Some people love to complain but just won't do anything about it even though they probably could. Some need help to get to the point where they can recognize that they need help and some know it and will work at it.

Personally, I want a better life than I've had. That doesn't mean I need a huge house or big car or what ever the thing of the moment is. I just want to be able to get up in the morning and feel OK or even pretty good. I'm almost there. Got a lot more work to do, but, hell, it's better than constantly feeling like shit. So, I'm like you to Bud, I want something better and I'm willing to bust my ass for it. And you know what; I'm going to get there.......Someday Soon.

Jar


P.S. So the answer to your question is YES.
 
It's 3 am here and I am simply not tired. So I thought I would ramble on.

Alrighty, we all know that we are stuck with PTSD for life, or are we??? It can be managed....

Now, with PTSD I have to ask a question. Do we follow what is written in a book, or do we look for ways to survive by ourselves, well I would like to think it's the latter.

Agreed. Once the individual understands they have the problem, it's up to them. All the rest is guidance.

'This, in my opinion is what sets veterans apart from the standard person with PTSD. Those people who have gone through a motor wreck, or a natural disaster, or even a rape. Yes, they have been through a life threatening experiece and have witnessed death (usually), but most of the time it is a one off event. And if they do seek help and therapy, they can lead a semi normal life.
Us as veterans have layer upon layer of experiences though, where we have either looked death in the eye ourselves, or seen the aftermath up close and personal.'

Makes it harder, more complex, and therefore requiring of a structured approach, agreed.

'Young soldiers of today should be screened by experienced personnel after every patrol. It could be done. Lets face it, some of us guys on here could ask a series of questions and could tell by the answers and the expressions on the faces whether they honestly have a problem couldn't we.'

Used to do it as part of my job, (know you did too, mate) and haven't lost the knack.

'I know I can be a nasty person and have been a horrible person to live with, and I know I will a have my moments in the future, it's the nature of the beast. But I am going to do everything in my power, i am never going to stop looking for the right medications, the right therapies and I am never going to stop trying to lead a normal life, well as much as a normal life that I can. '

All down to that old thing about which wolf you feed, and something Bill Simmons said very recently, anger can be a bit like 'I take poison, hoping you will die', bit pointless really.
In the last few months I have made so much progress in dealing with that anger, and it's down to this site and the really helpful, constructive, and experienced contributions from everyone. I am not a hugger by nature, so don't expect anything pink and fluffy. But I owe a lot of people here, ta.
 
Jar,

If I may, I'd to draw a distinction between you and I and the troops of today. You and I sat there for decades trying to figure what the hell was different about us. We floundered. We stumbled. Time and time again. We couldn't shake it off as people told us or just forget about it. Our thinking as different.

Flash forward to today. Today they know what it is, why it is, ect. You and I probably would have lived entirely different lives had we known what disease we had and how to fight it. One can't fight what he knows nothing of. I'm not in the least slighting our present troops, PTSD is hell no matter which era it came from.

My private therapist, a wonderful lady, once said that she was going to cure my PTSD. I proceded to explain to her why I'll never be cured. When one shoves the beast deep down inside themselves, screws a lid down tight on it, and keeps it there for decades, it gets down into the very fiber of a person. The man and the beast are one. Indistinguishable. What do you operate on? How do you extricate the good from the bad?

I can, I have made my life better. I have risen from the dead and found a little sliver of enjoyment in my life. But I don't expect more. I'll continue my meds, and my therapy but this isolated existance is all I expect.

Respectfully submitted,

Sarg
 
Man, when I was in, I would be watching my men, asking them questions. When I identified a problem I made sure that they got help....problem was even though I could see it in them, and truth be told, I could see it in me. But I thought I could tough it out and get over it.... I was wrong. Dead wrong. Now I pay the price.

It has to be a systemic paradigm change. The leaders need to be educated and believe. The soldiers need to be educated and believe. Then the systems need to be put in place. Then the hard part: The system has to be followed and it has to be accessible to the soldiers. Not a 'Prove you have a problem. Then we will help you." confrontational situation...
 
Sarg, I know what you're saying about time-forged alloys of condition and person, but mate you give us younger brats such hope, your observations, insights, and general all-round decency will probably guarantee one group of people who will bollox up any chance of too isolated a life. (I'll get me coat).

Respectfuly submitted,

Ned
 
By the time they challenge us to prove it we're sick of fighting.

Geez, I can't tell you how much I feel like that. I also understand and agree with you Sarg. This thing, PTSD, is so intertwined with my soul that it's sometimes hard to know which is which. But still, I have hope. Not that I'm going to be cured or something just that with knowledge, help and the kind of support I get here I'll be better than I've been. And you know what, that's OK with me.

It's been a long, winding and weary road that I've been on for a lifetime. Yeah, who knows what my life might have been if.......... But it's been what it's been. Can't change that, and I don't know if I'd want to. With everything I kind of like the person that I am now. Wow, I actually said that, boy that sounds arrogant, but truly it's not.

I could do without some of the wrestling matches with the 'beast', he's got a few pounds on me, but life is always a struggle. And whether ya'll agree with me or not you never have to feel like you can't speak your mind to me. I hope ya'll know that.

Guess I'm just a hopeful sob, always been this way. I consider it lucky that I am. Not that I don't have my 'ugly' days but I muddle through them somehow. I don't know how sometimes. Sorry if I'm rambling, just hope I don't get like Granpa Simpson.

Jar
 
Thanks for the comments guys.

Jar,

If I may, I'd to draw a distinction between you and I and the troops of today. You and I sat there for decades trying to figure what the hell was different about us. We floundered. We stumbled. Time and time again. We couldn't shake it off as people told us or just forget about it. Our thinking as different.

Sarg, you are spot on.

When you guys returned there were no studies, hardly any of the shrinks in the world were specialised, it must have been hell.

I have only recently realised that my father had PTSD. He had alzheimers when he died in 2008 and no doctor ever recognised any symptoms. But you know what, if he had of been alive now there would have been no use even suggesting to him. I have only recently had my mother convinced he had PTSD. And you know what, she exhibits a few symptoms herself of what they call secondary PTSD.

And you know what. I was a Sergeant Major and I had no idea of what I had. They used to only brief Majors and above, so when it was first suggested to me I denied it, it sounded like a commicable disease. But now that this war on terror has been going nearly 11 years, it is widely publicised, but you will still always have the problem of the stigma attached to it though.

Some soldiers will deny it to the point where it could be detrimental to the safety of others, if nothing is done about it.

The Beast has changed our lives, but my question is...................

Are you willing to do what it takes to manage it?

I asked a mate of mine if he would drive the 200 km to a really good psych, his commment, 'I don't have the petrol', yet he smokes and drinks.
 
The Beast has changed our lives, but my question is...................

Are you willing to do what it takes to manage it?

Jimmy I guess you already know my answer........Yes!!!!

Everyone's gotta' take that first step themself.

It was tough being a Nam vet and I was seriously wounded also. Sarg is right, it was impossible to get your head around. Somehow we survived. I'll be damned if I know how or why. There were times that I wasn't glad I did.

I can tell ya'll one thing though. And that's that I already see some improvement in myself in the short time that I've been in therapy. That gives me something to hope for, to fight for, to strive for, to live for.

Jar
 
I am willing to do what it takes. I have a good woman now too that will support me, but that does not stop the bad days, those black days where no matter what anyone says there is no brightness. But I suppose then there is the next day.

I remember as a digger there was three of us and we had to fill 1000 sandbags for punishment, my CPL came past and we said to him, 'How in the hell are we going to do this'. He said "how do you eat an elephant', 'bit by bit'.
 
Some days I can but more and more days I can't. Age, alcoholism, years' long depressions and two hundred mile per hour anxiety have taken their toll. Some days on here I feel like Dr Freud, unraveling the secrets of the mind, others, I feel like what ever is underneath a pile of dog shit. Lost all elevator, trim and tab control, Sir. Sorry, aviation shit.

You young guys and girls out there reading this, take heart. Don't listen to this angry, bitter, worn out old fart. Things will be better for you! They know about it, they know what a number it does on us but they are getting better at treating this miserable plague. Now, if we can only get our f##ked up politicians to quit sending you back again and again, knowing that you're packing the beast already, we'd be uptown.

I envy the treatment you will receive, early on and I earnestly believe that one day soon, they'll come up with some treatment modality that will bring you peace and health. But I don't envy the hills you will climb to get there. But your youth and good old American, English, Australian, Canadian "git er' done" mentality will see you through this.

Spirits be told, I love this site.

Sarg
 
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