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Inter country comparisons are largely meaningless, because statistics with the same name, or near enough the same name, are gathered and compiled in such different ways.

for example, the united state, has a "homicide rate"; if it looks like a homicide, that's generally what it gets recorded as.

Britain has a "murder rate", which requires a perp to be picked up, and convicted of murder, then to appeal the conviction, and the appeal to fail... and after all of that has happened, if anyone is still paying attention, it gets booked down as a "murder" for the year that the process is completed.

I don't know what proportion of homicides, that process actually picks up. I'd be very surprised if it gets as high as 10%. But even assuming 10%, that would mean that Britain's "murder rate" of around 0.3 per 100,000 population per year, represents a homicide rate of around 3 per 100,000 per year - which is roughly the same as the united state's figure.

It also means that what tends to show up in analyses of "murders" are the tearful cuckolded spouses, who call the cops, and who are still clutching the bloody carving knife and are covered in blood when the cops arrive. The gangland hit, stands next to no chance of showing up, unless the perp boasts about it, or their partner finds a sick souvenir in the freezer.

Back in 96, there was a British libertarian, who was sick of people dismissing his claim that guns are not difficult to make, so he made a sub machine gun, test fired it, wrote it up, and got a photographer friend around to photograph it. His friend snitched and he got 5 years amongst the hard bastards in a max security prison. His story continued, and the bureaucrats treatment of him got worse after that...

Philip Luty, did not need a lathe or a milling machine, only Bubba's household DIY tools and standard sizes of steel pipe, yet the British bureautw@s explored the possibility of licensing home workshops. I think his first book is still available from Paladin, and that his others still circulate on the net and peer to peer.

It's a difficult concept to get across to people, that a SMG actually turns out to be the easiest of guns to make (as easy or easier than a zip gun), and requires only some household tools and standard size steel tubing, not an elaborate production line.

Actual professional looking machine pistols from an underground manufacturer have been found with intercepted drugs cargoes going into the Netherlands.

We know from seizures of hard drugs that they can arrive in consignments of 10 tons and over. we also know that despite a 30 year or so "war on" that drugs are more available, stronger and cheaper now than when the "war on" started. The same happened with alcohol prohibition, and the same will likely happen with "gun prohibition".
 
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think that both parties have been so busy with the same old tired saw, towing the same stupid party lines, removed from research or actual statistics and policies with such mutual alienation of each other that it's not possible to make any non partisan compromisers.

Indeed, a stupid party, that does stupid things, and an evil party that does evil things

and once in a while, they get together, to enact something that is both stupid and evil.

Ive lost track of which british party might not qualify for the title of nasty party

the idea that giving the most narcissistic and psychopathic individuals special privileges and the right to lawfully aggress against the rest of society... and that to not somehow go horribly wrong

is, shall I say, hopelessly utopian?
 
I guess while we're on the general topic since I just can't resist plus it kinda defeats the stereotype that only white rednecks or black and hispanic criminals like guns.
Here's my list of must haves:
Revolvers:
Colt Python .357 stainless steel rubber grips 4 inch barrel...just beautiful.
Colt single action revolver with 6 inch barrel.
I think it's Ruger but and 8 shot 22 lr snub nose...so cute!

I have a special affinity for tiny semiautomatics they are too cute
22lr Taurus ply. 25 Seacamp, 32 seacamp and 38 seacamp. Kel tec ( don't hate me) Pf32, Pf38, Pf9(Pf 11 too big) Kahr 9, glock 42 and 46 (nobody is complete without a glock)
Full size semiautomatics
Glock 19 and 1911 Colt.45 ACP

Shotguns: Remington 870 and Mossberg 500.

Rifles: a nice one in .223 bolt action
7.62mm assault rifle Colt again

That is about it-I think
 
That consent can be withdrawn non violently.
I agree completely. Martin Luther King Jr. changed the US completely. not by voting alone, but by non-violence. One of his goals was to get the full right to vote without barriers.

I believe non-violent acts of non-consent are needed, as well as voting. Use the system to change the system... and when that doesn't work, fix the system through non-violent lack of compliance.

I think we are headed down a dangerous road when we give therapists the power to decide, with no due process of law, who should have guns and who should not. For a long time, homosexuality was considered to be a mental illness...

Plus, it defies logic. People with mental illnesses are less likely than people without one to commit a violent crime with a gun. It's not even a logical way to go about trying to reduce acts of violence. (Data at https://www.myptsd.com/threads/help-me-with-my-math.56668/)

Sure, there are a few mental health conditions that increase the likelihood of violence, but it is not the rule for everyone with one. If the goal is to take guns out of people mostly likely to commit acts of violence, it's not the average person battling a mental illness. It's everyone else.

Plus, if someone has violent behaviors from a mental illness, we want to give them reasons to get into therapy, not reasons to scare them off. Taking away guns doesn't take away the ability to do great harm. It does take away motivation to get help.
 
I think we are headed down a dangerous road when we give therapists the power to decide, with no due process of law, who should have guns and who should not. For a long time, homosexuality was considered to be a mental illness...
It won't be therapists deciding
It will be the moral and educational equivalent of the entitled gropers who staff the TSA. Trained for 8 hours, then lording it over us.

Ive just had a quick count on my fingers of how many people I know in Britain who've had a police armed response unit, at their door, demanding their (licensed) guns

It's something like ten of them!
 
Wow, he's good!

It was Ed McGivern, who could throw six clays into the air then shoot all 6 with a double action revolver in something like 2/5 or 3/5 of a second. I'm not sure whether he used the sights or was point shooting.

I'll spare you the one of the cop in front of a class of school kids, puffing himself up and telling them that he's "The Only One..." then shooting himself in the leg with a negligent discharge.
 
He must have forgotten, just how vindictive nemesis can be towards the hubris of idiots

Some of the gun rights bloggers, in particular, David Codrea (war on guns), took to disparagingly referring to cops who'd got themselves into trouble or who were displaying a particularly egregious sense of entitlement as "Only Ones" after the hero of that video.
 
If only they'd just do a real background check. But in the scheme of things there are greater issues. A lot of gun control focuses on nonsense like that ugly hole in Smith and Wesson revolvers or putting 'safeties' on DAO semiautomatics or capacity limits rather than just beefing up background checks. I really don't know what else can be done.

Occasionally airline pilots decide to fly a plane into the ground, there are some measures to prevent it now, like a two person always on flightdeck rule but still if he or she cuts the fuel and pushes the yoke forward, I doubt that a flight attendant present in the other seat could do very much. Thankfully, that is extremely rare but like a mass shooting in the sense that it's not possible to stop through rules other than a check, many of them would have passed it anyway. It is unfortunate. The stupid conservatives don't even want background checks. I think that the biggest mental health threat would most likely be either antisocial personality disorder and it's rarely diagnosed or a fake one to use at trial if they don't suicide. Many times it wasn't mental illness it was because they wanted to and the media slapped the diagnosis on them. Like the south Carolina guy he's either antisocial personality or he just wanted to go into a church and kill a bunch or Blacks, the former isn't a mental illness! I believe that most of them just had an agenda...a lady in Oklahoma drove her car into a crowd of people, killing several.

I have to be very non- pc on my next point. That Black cop who shot himself 'professionally' was in a Black school shoving the liberal agenda down their throats, Blacks are, for very good reason, owned by the democrats, and instead of talking about something interesting like how to legally obtain a firearm or gun safety rules he decides to show them yet another thing they can't have because the liberals will decide for them what they will do in life rather than what is possible to actually do in life and that a gun may be fun and it doesn't need to be used for crime. Personally, to me that's up to the parents and he shouldn't have even been there anyway with his dumb brainwashing demo. Serves him right!

I'll tell you many Blacks aren't as liberal as one would imagine, sometimes in pretty f*cked up ways, I'll leave it at that.

Personally, in another state, NYC, it's (almost) impossible to have a carry permit and really not all that necessary at this point, I would probably not carry in most circumstances because I fear some cop will find out I have a pistol and cap me, for fun.
 
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There's probably a hundred regulations and suggestions to take a Cessna on a100 mile flight for a hamburger and not crash or get intercepted by F-16s or something and four that stop a person from shooting themselves or someone else by accident..this guy broke all four- I love professional heroes :rolleyes:

 
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