The War in Iraq - Your Opinions On The Situation

[Deleted member 93]

Anthony, after the update you gave me... All i can do is shake my head. People were duped. What needs to be done is a clean up and give it over to the proper officials and the Iraqi people. At least the monster is dead. His reign of terror over his own people is gone. But we need out and do some clean up efforts simply put. Still feel pretty ill over that chat!

I am going to have to work on my news issues but maybe once a week or month as it would send me all over to uncontrollable symptoms if I even thought of more than that.

I know I am curious who will be up for the elections. We all know Bush cannot go again. But it is a ways off and from what I have heard (apparently not much) I have not heard the names tossed out who will be running in the Rep primaries.

 

[waynes]

At least the old marine in charge of the JCS does not buy into the bad intel.. Gen. Pace said today that there is no facual information proving the connection between explosives and Iran. Anthony, where did your information on Irans suposed possesion of acuall nukes come from? I was under the impression that they were in the mid stage of development?
Wayne

 

[anthony]

They had it publicized in "The Age" newspaper yesterday or day before, with images taken of the ordnance and the issues surrounding what has been going on. The funny thing was, from memory when reading the news, is that sources from within Iran claimed they had been doing this for some time now, however; if you look back to the US previously, they have been supplying weapons to Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries for decades, their used weaponry as such. Many of the soldiers are being killed by some older ordnance that was built within the US itself. I knew about the existing issues from my own military operations and information, even though its public nowadays, but I didn't know about Iran supplying weapons to help kill Americans. I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, in that the US also supplies weapons to Iran, or have done in the past decades. I will have to go look that one up now, as my memory is a bit fuzzy on that.

Either way, no country should ever contemplate attacking Iran IMHO... suicide is a nice word for it if you ask me.

Some recent references which are now online:

• http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7357347&ft=1&f=1001
• http://newsbreak.com.au/related/a792842

Lots more if you do a search. Most of the information is pretty much the same, with the main points, only the little differences between news publishers. Then there are now immediate prints that the Iranian government have obviously denied doing such acts, even though media have been presented documented evidence by the militia's. I always used to tell my soldiers actually, don't worry about orders, just watch the news and media, because they often know more accurate information than the military does, or what they tell us... we used to make a joke of it actually, in that to get orders, watch the evening news. It was pretty accurate though... that is the scary part.

 

[mac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

 

[mac]

"we used to make a joke of it actually, in that to get orders, watch the evening news. It was pretty accurate though... that is the scary part."

That is so true.

 

[anthony]

Thats the one... thanks mac, much appreciative.

 

[cookie]

ok, anthony, to clarify what i said about voting for bush again...i mean i still would have voted for him, compared to the others that were running at the time. didn't mean now, lol. i believe he is a good man, and i believe things were misrepresented to him, and he allowed himself to be manipulated by others he chose to listen to. i am registered to one political party, but i think we have to weigh all the candidates as to who believes the things that are best for our country, and who would stand for those things--a person of their word (hard to come by in a politician, or the public at large, anymore)
cathy

 

[anthony]

Don't worry Cathy, it doesn't bother me if anyone wants to vote for him again, if he could run that is... that is their opinion and right. Its all good.

I very much agree with things said here recently, in that its not about voting in the one that is the better, but voting in the one you believe is telling the less shit. Politicians are twits... all over the world, twits. One in maybe a thousand are actually worth anything as a human being, and aren't tainted to simply conspire and accept the manipulated system that is placed before them. I say that, because how many do you see knocking back their pay rises, whilst the countries themselves are often taking pay cuts? I have seen it once here in my lifetime...

 

[reallydown]

Another two cents from me...Personally, don't have too big of a problem with Bush himself...He's rather entertaining (personal opinion) but the people pulling the strings...seem rather nasty to me...

Now in terms of voting for (in teh case of the US) Democrats or Republicans...it's really pretty much the same (ok...the neo-cons currently running things are a bit different I guess...not in a positive way) the Democrats seem to be abit better domestically in terms of education, social security etc...

Also (again, my personal opinion) not voting for someone because the media (and the other side) portray him(think George Lakoff and framing) (yes, talking about Kerry here) as a flip-flopper is to me a little strange...because it seems to suggest to me that the person is being influenced by that too much, rather than making an inforemd decision...

We have these things here too...I mean so many people voted Conservative just to punish the Liberals for the "sponsorship scandal" rather than considering what the implications of such a vote may be (Harpy seems to have a bit of a dictatorial streak in him...never mind him being utterly incapable of running a country...He also didn't even bother to show his face at the AIDS conference hosted by Canada...that's just...rude, at the very least)...Even worse is people voting against the Liberals, for example, just for change...Don't get me wrong politicians have to be held accountable...and I'm certainly not saying the Liberals here are great....However...they're the only party ehre that's shown itself capable of runnign the country (mind you, still tons of room for improvement)...OK end of rant for now...

 

[anthony]

It's funny actually RD, in that I was just watching a little Chris Rock humour last night, and he mentioned in one of his shows that no decent person would vote for only one party, without hearing all the arguments first, for example: a little liberal here, conserative with crime, etc etc... basically, weighing up at each election who is running and what their policies are. Who will do the least damage I guess was his point, but ensure that any person who votes listens to all arguments first, without already having decided their preference. Its amazing how many people have a "party" in which they choose regardless what policy they have, they just vote that party, and not based on what the policies themselves are. Each to their own obviously, that was just something that Chris Rock happened to mention in the show I was watching last night. Funny bugger he is, but very effective at making his point with humour involved.

I personally like to listen to all sides first, and I make my decision based on past performance (if any), and what their going to do for Australia as a whole, not what their going to do for me as one person in the country. Even then, I guess you have to try and push past the shit that they dribble, and find what the real truth is behind the candidate.

 

[reallydown]

Agreed. And also...when you have a system where it essentially boils down to having only two parties that can realistically win the elections one has to wonder about the level of choice in such democracies...of course, it also depends on the electoral system...We have first-past the post here...which, I think, is nto the best idea. I'm more for some kind of proportional representation...

One other thing that strikes me as a little strange in some democracies...you have to have a lot of money to run...so while in theory everyone can run for office, in practice, huge numbers of the population ar eunable to do so...which also contributes to voter apathy etc...which I gues sis in the interest of those who rule...etc...

 

[mac]

IMO, I wish this thread would just close.