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[Justmehere]

How would those gun laws have stopped what happened in FL? Article: None of these popular gun laws would have stopped the Florida shooting

The school was a gun free zone. No gund allowed. That didn’t stop the killing.

The perp was not allowed to be on campus, and prior to his expulsion, had long been barred from even bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

A backpack. They feared him bringing a backpack on campus and tried to even stop that.

 

[Deleted member 541]

The age for purchasing a gun would have stopped him. 21 not 18

 

[Justmehere]

Because someone thinking of becoming a “professional school shooter” willing to commit murder as a career would totally be stopped by that? Really? He was willing to commit capital crimes but not break a gun law? He broke every other rule and law. Why would he not also break that one? This wasn’t a spur of the moment crime. It was planned.

NY Times article and analysis doesn’t support the idea that preventing “the mentally ill” from buying guns would have prevented the massacre:,

roughly half of Americans either believe that failing to identify people with mental health problems is the primary cause of gun violence or that addressing mental health issues would be a major deterrent.

That conclusion is not shared by experts or widely accepted research.

 

[Deleted member 541]

I don’t want to argue, but WE have to start somewhere to stop this shit. And YES, I believe that we do need to overhaul all of the gun laws that we have today. Even if it stops just ONE killing, isn’t it worth the effort????

 

[scout86]

The age for purchasing a gun would have stopped him. 21 not 18

The Sandy Hook shooter stole his mother's guns.
And it's questionable that all these people actually have a diagnosable mental illness.

What might have made a difference is of someone had reacted to his school shooter comment by sitting down and discussing with him. When you make that kind of comment, seems to me you're at a cross road, very much like you are if you tell someone you're considering suicide. My thought is, I'd you WANT to kill yourself, you just do it. If you WANT to kill other people, you just do it. If you want someone to stop you, you give them a chance. And it probably upsets you even more when it looks like no one notices or cares.

 

[Deleted member 541]

But doing nothing doesn’t help either..... This is the point I’m trying to get across. Yes, there are issues to overcome, but if we do NOTHING, then the carnage continues. How many more school shootings, or concert shootings or movie theater shootings, or political baseball game shootings do we need before something is done????

When we do NOTHING we are complicit...

 

[scout86]

I sure wouldn't advocate doing nothing. I think we should do something, maybe a lot of things, but they should be thought out in a way that they actually solve the problem. Personally, I think the biggest problem is that there are people out there who think killing large numbers of people makes some kind of sense, and it at least seems like it's becoming more of a thing. Why is that? If it wasn't a gun, it could as easily be a bomb, or fire, or a vehicle.

 

[Deleted member 541]

Yes @scout86 I do agree, that something is happening where people seem to think that it’s ok to kill, to go postal, to take out as many as they can. The issue with this is, that while we can’t stop all of them from killing with a car or truck, we can try and control the guns and chemicals to make bombs.

We just had a fire in my city, where a mentally ill woman started a fire in the basement of a multi dwelling home. When asked why, she said she was cold and thought it would be FUN!!!!!

 

[Anarchy]

There's a dangerous logic which emerges,

Something must be done

This is something

Therefore it must be done.

Iirc, Columbine had a school guard. He couldn't shoot for shit, and was forced back by bombs thrown at him by the perps.

As a direct result of Columbine, The state of Colorado instituted a policy of "shall issue" concealed carry permits.

The figures for concealed carry across the us are something like 2% to 6% of those eligible to, actually choose to do it.

In at least two cases that I know about, concealed carriers have ended school shootings by disarming the perp; those were Apalachian law school and at Pearl Mississipi.

 

[Justmehere]

Even if it stops just ONE killing, isn’t it worth the effort????

Where is the data and evidence that one killing would be stopped?

Yes, there are issues to overcome, but if we do NOTHING, then the carnage continues.

I am not advocating for doing nothing. I don’t believe anyone here is... and casting everyone who doesn’t exactly agree with you on what should be done in this “all or nothing” extreme light is part of why people shut down to dialogue on these issues and dig in their feet on their own stance. If that’s what you want, then go ahead. I’m not sure it gets us anywhere.

 

[Deleted member 541]

@Justmehere I never said that ONE killing would be stopped. I said IF one killing could be stopped. My references to “doing nothing” are more about our government, not the people here.

 

[Neverthesame]

What if? I know it's a radical idea, but bear with me.

Personally I think target shooting is a fun activity.
I don't own a gun or plan to, but I can see why someone would want to own something like an AR-15, for something other than hunting and home defence.
(Personally I think home defence is the worst reason in the world to own a gun for...)

I'm a big fan of the concept of personal accountability.
If I wanted to own a gun, I have to understand that it can kill someone. Because the fact is it can.
It is therefore my responsibility to ensure that doesn't happen.
If it does, then I need to be held accountable for that death, even if I didn't pull the trigger. I made the choice to own it, I therefore need to own it.

Someone steals it from me and kills someone else, welp. Off to prison for murder I go.

I chose to purchase a weapon capable of killing someone, not because I need it, but because I like shooting paper targets. No one needs to shoot paper targets.
You don't eat, live in or wear paper targets.
If I don't want the responsibility of ownership of a gun. I don't have to buy one.

See where I'm going with this?

I think gun owners should be held liable for any crime committed using their firearm.

This obviously isn't a cure-all solution. But it could help I think.