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[SaharaSon]

The solution to the extreme wage gap between CEOs and workers would be to say that no CEO Can make mor...

@Fadeaway. Pure Communist ideology. :hilarious:

 

[Fadeaway]

Call it what you will, but I would rather see everyone making a living wage than see someone spent rediculous amounts of money on useless baubles while children go hungry.

 

[somerandomguy]

I support the Universal Basic Income.

 

[LuckiLee]

People make more than that on welfare now. Between food stamps, housing, Medicare...

Where I live we have families who have been on assistance for multiple generations. And at this point they don't want jobs. I'm serious. I've heard many many people say just that. They don't work and get their three squares every day. I work my azz off and live paycheck to paycheck. It's a joke!

It's one of the reasons I got out of the medical field. The corruption with medicade alone is maddening.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Friday]

There’s a fundamental divide in this country between those who want it to be socialist & those who want it to be capitalist.

Whilst it roughly follows party lines, it’s by no means definitive. Some of the most ardently pro-social supporters are old-money deep-pockets GOP folks pumping billions into charities and social programs every year on the one hand, whilst lobbying for social reform & government programs to take care of the poor across multiple avenues on the other. And there was a fairly shocking study by Pew Trusts http://www.pewtrusts.org/en some years back that showed that the vast majority of changes/programs voted out/down were actually squashed by the very populations those laws and changes are targeted to help (Aaargh. I’m still trying to find the durn link), after largely being proposed by the 3% crowd. Time and time again. One of those WOW... contrary to popular belief... :O_o:

While looking for the link, however, I found this totally fascinating related discussion / book panel http://www.pewforum.org/2003/11/21/...logue-on-religion-poverty-and-welfare-reform/ at the Washington Press Club

Lifting Up the Poor: A Dialogue on Religion, Poverty and Welfare Reform

I want to begin with the way the book begins, which is to ask, do prophets have useful things to say to politicians about appropriate policies toward the poor? Do social scientists reveal truths about the causes of poverty? Can religious sensibilities clarify our thinking about poverty? To all these questions, Mary Jo Bane and Larry Mead answered yes, and bless them for doing so because we wouldn’t have had a book if they had actually answered all those questions no. The prophets have very much to teach us about poverty and so do policy specialists, and those policy specialists can even be informed by their religious sensibilities and convictions. And that’s what Mary Jo and Larry have done, and that is why their project is so exciting.

Hugh Heclo once said, “Government policy and religious matters are not the same thing, but neither do they exist in isolation from each other. The two are distinct but not separate from each other. The two domains intertwine,” Heclo went on, “because both claim to give authoritative answers to important questions about how people should live.” Heclo’s words apply especially to the issue of poverty, a matter on which all of the great religious traditions have a great deal to say.

 

[SaharaSon]

I support the [URL='Link Removed...

"A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers." F.A.Hayek...... I ain't interested in living in a totalitarian state. :cool:

 

[Cactus Bloom]

People make more than that on welfare now. Between food stamps, housing, Medicare...

Where I live we...

But is that true though? I found many links you can google “myths about welfare” including this one:
https://www.thebalance.com/welfare-programs-definition-and-list-3305759
which disputes what you say about generations of families have been on assistance and don’t want to get jobs. One of the requirements to be able to get on a welfare program is to actively look for a job and actually most people using assistance can do so for a very short amount of time and need to be actively looking for a job.

 

[LuckiLee]

Yeah. NOW that's a requirement. I've seen it. Generations of families.

 

[somerandomguy]

"A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers."...

UBI wouldn't limit the amount of money that you or I or anyone could make. It would simply provide enough money to live on to those who don't have it. That doesn't seem much like equality to me - just opportunity.

But I find that people who think like you really do want poor people to continue to be poor, because you think poor people are fundamentally bad people for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. Is this the case, @SaharaSon? Is this what you think?

 

[SaharaSon]

UBI wouldn't limit the amount of money that you or I or anyone could make. It would simply provide...

It's just like you lefties to stick your nose under the tent given half a chance. Let me stick a bee up your camel nostril. You are projecting on to me what you yourself feel about the poor. It is quite an aggressive statement by you to me. I won't dignify the question with an answer. Remember it was the "progressive" Democrats that set up the plantation system known as the "Great Society" in the 1960's to keep the poor dependant on government handouts and down on the farm. It appears that this is the system you prefer. :D

 

[Justmehere]

Finland tried universal basic income for two years. They just announced they won’t be continuing it. Others are still pushing ahead.

 

[somerandomguy]

It's just like you lefties to stick your nose under the tent given half a chance. Let me stick a bee...

Thanks, you answered my question!

In the words of your hero: Sad.