News Worldwide impact of the novel coronavirus (covid-19)

[Deanna]

Now we're starting to level off our infection rate, we have a tough choice to make. The only way beyond this is herd immunity, whether by immunisation (12 - 18 months away) or we start to lift restrictions for slightly more interaction than we have now, so the numbers go up, slightly, but keep it controlled, accepting deaths will happen. Riding this out as is, is not really an option, because immunisation is an unrealistic distance away which would collapse any countries economy.

Maybe we'll be guinea pigs to new immunizations/malaria drugs.

 

[Friday]

Riding this out as is, is not really an option, because immunisation is an unrealistic distance away which would collapse any countries economy.

Becomes a personal choice, rather than an enforced one.

Always does, in the end. Those who’ve got the means will do it, will. Those who don’t, will take a gamble, either way. Some pay off, some don't. Luck heralded as brash balls, willing to suffer through. Shrug. Way of men. Mankind, rather. The risk that pays off heralded, the risk that doesn’t, scorned.

 

[Freida]

@blackemerald1 so sorry :(

 

[Deanna]

I'm so sorry @blackemerald1 ?

 

[anthony]

Becomes a personal choice, rather than an enforced one.

Yep. I think it will take a cautious approach so as to minimise death by allowing medical systems to cope with the intake.

 

[Justmehere]

This makes me smile for all the kids out there: Coronavirus: Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy 'essential workers', says New Zealand PM

On a serious note, what is going on with the projections in the US? Many suddenly were revised based on new data, and some states are showing past peak and others are sending back ventilators.

Most states have locked down a few weeks at best. None of it very severe lockdowns like in China. None have reached Italy’s level of lock down. We have more deaths here, bigger outbreak, and hitting a greater percent of the people in China. Yet I’m seeing leaders in various states all think the US will see the peak come and go this week or next and they we can open things back up again. If that’s possible without another giant peak in cases, why didn’t Wuhan or Italy do that? What changed? Hmm.

 

[Innordinate]

what is going on with the projections in the US?

Just a guess but, propaganda and leaders who value money more than peoples lives- or just hopefully optimistic reporting?

It's not even "peaked" here and we shut down before 90% of the states, have more land and way way way less people.

Not sure if you've seen this site but since April 7th the numbers of new cases in the states have been going up daily by more than 20,000. For a week prior to that 10,000+

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,364,711 Cases and 76,449 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

I could see, possibly one or two of the states hit first and hardest that it may have peaked but California numbers are still rising steady and fast.

We have British channels and American channels here, as well as local and American news is always skewed to be more positive, aligning with "America the strong/great". It's usually fascinating to see but in times like this almost horrifyingly akin to Goebbels propaganda.

So yeah, I don't think it's possible without another giant peak which is why Italy hasn't done it.

So what changed? From my perspective up here- just republican leaders ignorant businesslike optimism and the itch to make money.

Also this:

This makes me smile for all the kids out there: Link Removed

Very cool

 

[Tinyflame]

I saw that too, @Justmehere - the Easter Bunny is an essential worker :laugh: Whew! :tup: . I feel in good company. :inlove: :laugh: (As a funny aside- a few days ago I had a MASSIVE bunny in my back yard, not pregnant looking, just BIG, bigger than my dog's stuffed tiger. :eek: Looked everywhere for chocolate- too well hidden. ;) Went to get my phone for a pic, and as to be expected he was nowhere in sight.. :) )

Making yourself out to be small and unworthy doesn’t save a single life. Your needs matter. Period.

Thank you, I understand what you mean, prob didn't explain well, I don't have any issue being small. And good (well, 'better') mental health and reality is flexible/ shifts with the circumstances. And tbh, knowing what it's like to be in need, in various ways, people need help when they need help. But yes, maybe I can't do much but I can do something, even if it's to try to put my thoughts or prayers outside myself, or suffering alongside. JMHO.

But you're likely right, can't always ignore what's harmful or difficult for your own self, and I was told yesterday no it's not selfish/ ~ok to try to get help.

I have a friend who is super depressed but talked recently about how he joins in the fight by doing good self care so he can avoid getting sick and isn’t taking up another hospital bed. He said he thinks of every solitary hike on remote trails, every trip avoided in public, every phone call for mutual support, as a way he can support his city fighting the virus, and he’s damn right. It may not be as *glamorous* as someone shoving a ventilator down someone’s throat to keep them away from death, but I’d argue it’s just as valuable. Even if somehow you did catch it, but are delaying catching it and helping yourself and others be as strong as they can be emotionally to get through it.

I think that's great.

The “small acts” of getting through a crisis like this are actually exactly how people do it well throughout history. You may not be on the “front lines” but you are certainly helping the cause.

@rightkindofme totally agree with @Justmehere above. Please do not feel guilty. And there's nothing good or glamorous about suffering or even trying to meet needs, no matter whether giving or receiving. (In fact you've done exactly what they recommend if possible: try to pick up just a little over each shopping trip; re-use; recycle; be thankful for what is there. And many workers care deeply, yes, but still for eg need PPE realizing it does no good to make others, their loved ones, or themselves sick; it's not heroic to have to work without the tools needed to keep them, others and their loved ones safe, and not helpful to reduce spread. And I'm sure they want to get through this with the least deaths and harm possible asap. ) Just thankful for you for what you can be spared, as I hope for all of us and who we love and who they love and the most vulnerable and the world in general. You've had plenty of suffering, never mind, and therefore likely more empathetic than most to other's. Being compassionate and supportive emotionally is just as important, because what show's on the outside (bodies) is part of a much bigger whole (heart, mind, soul). One less suffering person or people with this is a victory and a grace. :hug::hug:

Someone asked a researcher here, if everyone in the world could remain in for 2 weeks would that effectively reduce the virus' spread exponentially? And they said, yes, but they could never get the world to do it. :(

 

[DharmaGirl]

Riding this out as is, is not really an option

It's true, it won't work for society as we know it. I like your suggestion of keeping a lid on the infection rate, and being rational about it. There will be deaths, however there is no cure, so any way you play it there will be deaths. This seems to be the most logical.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Does anyone know if there is a pet food (specifically dog food) shortage in the US? Chopper will need food in at least a few weeks. Im wondering if I should just order it now on Amazon. Anyone know if there is pet food in other places (Walmart, Walgreens, etc) and if not, are pet stores even open? Can anyone guide me in this area in the US?

 

[scout86]

I tend not to go to the big box stores, so I can't tell you anything about them. I don't think there's a shortage. At least there isn't around here.

 

[Muttly]

@lostforgottensoul I haven't heard anything officially but I've had a delay on my cats prescription food. And shipping is going slower so what I've ordered online has been slow to get here. When I was working I heard some other folks having issues with *prescription* food. While I was still working, the shelves at the store have stayed reasonably stocked