Differences Between Combat And Abuse Related Ptsd

[Ed Norton]

Some people who experienced extreme trauma NEVER get PTSD cuz they don't meet one very important criterion

Anyway this is the series I usually put on to listen to when I can't sleep relaxes me..after a while I can't watch cuz my eyes start closing and just listening helps prevent nightmares of my trauma also the reenactment are accurate so it really brings the hundreds of accident reports I've read to life sometimes I skip the sappy stories and get right to the action tho cuz those aren't included in the report

Hope you all enjoy this..'Air Crash Investigation" :tup:

I better sleep I have a funeral to attend and his mom may be in a tizzy again but I got her to laugh a little during the viewing yesterday

Sweet dreams everyone

:hug:s

Ed

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Edit one of those pilots has my surname

Those pilots were the fakest liars eva telling them they'd be back at LAX in 20 minutes
Edit:
I do not wish to diverge too far off topic but I was triggered by a baseless accusations made by another member here who will go unnamed as well fire I saw where a mother burned alive holding her 3children who also burned alive combined with the repeated tase/ burn cycles making me like I was completely on fire for I guess about 5minutes and winding up in the hospital for 8 days which may further compromise reissuance of my pilot medical certification.Cuz I really wanna get back up tho maybe not work driving for Alaska lol (sorry a bit off topic). Then I found out my cousin who was murdered in the South Bronx (which incidentally was part of a arson conflagration where probably many more burned alive also) but I really thought he'd pull through f*cking pulmonary thromboembolism. Died This Saturday tho I have made my piece with that but I felt to allay any fear that those who watched that video experienced that there may have been a way out. My friend Bob an L-1011 captain and the chief pilot who has passed away (in pilot talk, 'flown west') said that they should not have continued repeating the procedures and returned immediately to the airport after the first go at the abnormal procedures.. sadly he (I believe) was correct but that's debabatle but too far off topic here but more appropriate to another site I used to frequent but I forgot how to fly.

One more thing BLHutch a former Arson squad investigator who's trauma diary I used to read :hug:s Sir I hate ugly fire too.

I just wanted to post that just to explain my seemingly erratic behavior lately. I think I am now getting far diverged off the thread topic so I bid everyone who I love and care for here a nice day...I won't post another ACI but I think several are similar to the above.

I truly and humbly apologize for my divergence off topic in this post but I felt like the forum was owed an explanation and apology. The movie saints and sinners is horrible never watch it..we need some innocence left

Pito

 

[Ed Norton]

Anyway Pilots don't really call my disorder PTSD they call it 'turning yellow'

:hug:s

 

[anthony]

I would like to know the differences between combat vs abusers vs medical.

Now these are trauma types, so there is significant difference because they're all different types of trauma and thus will have different outcomes.

I know people say PTSD is PTSD is PTSD but I think that's an oversimplification.

Yes and no, IMHO. PTSD is PTSD, the difference is often the severity level and specific symptoms. Trauma... that is the problem, as it is so independent and singular on a per person basis. Having two women tied to a chair, raped one after the other, you will get vastly different outcomes for both in how they process the event and then what negative outcomes are derived, if any, let alone duration of such outcomes.

Which comes back to my first answer, being that trauma is just so individual. Even when people endure the same trauma, the outcomes are just vastly unique.

You can have two soldier get PTSD, yet one becomes passive, one becomes aggressive. You can have two women get raped, both PTSD, one becomes lifetime and one heals in a year with no further symptom issue. You have can have two people awake during surgery to experience it in a state of helplessness, one has a lot of dissociation and flashbacks, the other has huge agoraphobia and anger.

I guess part of what I'm saying, is that symptom outcome is not applicable just to a trauma type, like is starting to be mentioned, and is actually more applicable to who the person is as an individual, pre or post trauma.

 

[EveHarrington]

Understood @anthony

I guess my thought is that comparison of trauma effects can indeed be a good thing, a productive thing, but quite often I see the blanket statement that comparing trauma is bad and I very much disagree.

Well yes it can be bad if we're comparing trauma simply in a good/bad or what is worse kind of fashion. ("Value" type scale.)

But--------think back to third grade compare/contrast essay exercises------and I'm sure our teachers would feel like failures right now as we have whittled down the compare/contrast concept to a simple "what is worst" phenomenon.

This cuts off a lot of intelligent discussion about trauma differences----discussions which could indeed lead to greater insight in ourselves.

Potential convo:

This is what I experience-----

What do you experience?

(Other person answers)

Oh, that's interesting as it's different than what I deal with!

(Conversation ultimately leads to greater understanding).

 

[anthony]

There are absolutely worst traumatic events than others, IMO. You have no disagreement from me that trauma is an interesting discussion, and also that it should not be simplified to just who's is worst than another. Unfortunately, many seem to do that... yet at the same time, my opinion is that there are clearly worse traumatic events to endure than others, though the outcome is what is unique and can equally become a hot topic by some.

Trauma is a fascinating field, intellectually speaking and pursuing it.

 

[Whyteferret]

I would like to know the differences between combat vs abusers vs medical.

Even though, I'm new...

@Unknown Victim
Good point about medical people. Sometimes everything that is done is never enough. Medical people see the outcomes of battle. Or accidents, etc.

But, anyone can have any of those reactions to any trauma.

The thing I don't like about this type of conversation is when it turns into "my type of PTSD is 'worse' than yours." Or the tendency people have to order or prioritize things. I've heard vets with combat PTSD put down other vets whose PTSD wasn't combat connected. I've heard combat vets suggest only combat vets be service connected. Because any other trauma isn't "real." I love the service connect thing: so the service member who broke his leg in three places in a parachute jump is "less" disabled than a guy who broke his leg in combat. Or service members who get PTSD through things like assaults or car accidents or training accidents PTSD isn't as important. This is why I'm not comfortable with this sort of thing.

Anyone who has PTSD has PTSD. It hurts no matter what caused it.

 

[Powder]

I think of this as "the worst trauma this person has endured," and to him or her, it is just that.

Whatever my latest flashback is "my worst trauma." I have noted the tendency to ascribe more power to any wound freshly opened and unknown prior. Once I've known about it and talked enough about it, it's not "as bad."

I often wonder if I live much longer what I will consider "worst" then.

 

[Hanala]

I can totally relate to this. There is another girl in the dorm who freaked out when a siren went off because she has been through combat. The siren means that danger is here and when she explained that everyone was super sympathetic and kind. But then this girl is the same one who makes my PTSD so much worse because she is aggressive and always in my space/a 'wild card. That is a HUGE trigger for me and she makes things hard and then gets mad at me for being short or snappish with her. So people acknowledge and tip toe around her trauma but step all over mine because since I was sexually abused and can't/won't discuss it I have to suffer quietly. It's an obnoxious double standard. And especially annoying because no one is doing it on purpose, they just don't get it. It's this culture of silence and shame around sexual assault that keeps me feeling like I am being punished (again) for things that aren't in my control.

 

[Gs172003]

I read something on a Christian site, I wish I could remember which one, around memorial day that I think covers this perfectly.

In it is says that in combat PTSD the soldier is often not only the victim but the aggressor and it alot of times plays against their concience. I don't remember word for word but that was the gist. That made so much sense to me.
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not a vet.

 

[Sighs]

@Zoogal - my vet often quotes the line from the movie Michael Collins (Collins is an IRA leader fighting against the English) - he says "I don't hate the English for what they do to us. I hate them for what they make me do to them."

 

[Gs172003]

@Zoogal - my vet often quotes the line from the movie Michael Collins (Collins is an I...

That makes sense.

 

[thereislightattheend]

I need to preface this by saying that I have so much love and respect for veterans of war, not just t...

I'm 48. And as a 48 year old, I have to say that it doesn't matter why you have PTSD or how you got there, the fact is, you have it and it hurts. The why you have it vs. someone else is not important. What's important is that you feel okay and get through each day okay. When I was young, I used to spend a lot of time thinking I didn't have the right to feel a way when "someone else had it worse". That's what we're taught, but it's wrong. Someone else having it worse doesn't make the pain you're in go away. It doesn't help you to resolve the issues in your head that caused the pain in the first place. I remember when I had cancer, my friend said to me "I'm so sorry about complaining about a cold, when you have cancer which is far worse". I said "honey, me having cancer doesn't make your cold feel any less miserable. I hate having a cold, you can't breathe, you can't sleep, you just want to get back to living". Isn't that what we're all trying to do? Just get back to living? I'm on this board because my husband of 25 years secretly and systematically mentally abused me. Before I understood what he was doing, I was already taking care of 3 kids, working a full time job and saddled with a mortgage. He was so covert, I thought he was just being stubborn. Eventually when I was worn down, he turned to physical abuse. I still haven't told anyone that happened. I'm not comfortable with people knowing that I've had a mental breakdown because I "let" a man abuse me for so long. And yes I know he's the guilty one, but I stayed. You were a kid, you didn't have a choice in the matter, cut yourself a break. What you've been though is BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! understanding. To feel powerless as a young person is exhausting, draining and damaging and you deserve to work your way to peace. Maybe differently from the way a soldier does, but in your own right. It's not a contest of who has PTSD and why. The fact is, we all have it, it feels absolutely terrible, now how do we help ourselves to function and make it manageable but also find some form of happiness. I am sorry that you have PTSD and I support you. And I'm angry for you and with you that men hurt you like that. They had no right, you were just a little kid and they just had no right at all to do that to you! And even for adults in different situations, people have no right to hurt other people!!!!