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Persistent Thoughts

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Does anyone else find themselves plagued by persistent thoughts? I feel like I ought to be able to control them, but I cannot force them away. Usually I can only get the thought out of my head when I discuss it in therapy, but I'd love to get a little more control on it myself. These can really get me spiralling downward. Mostly these thought echo the abusive words I heard as a child.
 
My guess is that we're all very familiar with this thought issue, this might seem a bit too simple, my T tells me that controlling something such as a thought is not very effective, it's more likely to make the issue more stubborn. He suggests encouraging it to stay around and stick with it, let the thought be what it is, it is just a thought, the thought itself has no truth, note the feelings that come up around the thought, the feelings are what seem to be worth looking into, that is what helps me get to the bottom of my issues.

Make sure you breathe and wait it out as long as you can, know that you will be ok whatever happens.

This is working for me right now, hope you can try it out.

Heather
 
Quite an opposite attack to this was recommended to me by my psychiatrist. This is to say, out loud and forcefully to the thoughts, "Go away" or "Stop it", as if you were talking to a troublesome person.

For me, anything's worth a try.
 
Maybe I'm crazy...

At times when the negative thoughts got too much when I was at home, I opened the door and said, "Get the ... out". I never had to do it more than once in a day. I haven't done it for a long time, but it's somewhat empowering. Maybe it's the use of swearing that someone posted that it's good for you?
 
I have been crippled by the obsessive negative thoughts in recent years but I have got a lot more control over them since Christmas. I was off work sick for three months and used that time to do a lot of CBT based work on my obsessive thoughts. It has taken me 6 months of hard work, including a return to work and things have been rocky at times but I have kept going. With regards to the thoughts I learned to recognise different types of negative thinking. I realised that ALL my thoughts, my entire approach to life was conducted in a defensive manner, and that I was entirely in the grip of negative thinking patterns and had been for years. But5 also that I did not always behave like that. I then learnt to challenge my thoughts, by writing them down and then challenging them in a rational way before coming up with a balanced view of a situation which more accurately represented matters.

To do this I carry with me two self help books ("overcoming depression" by Paul Gilbert, and "overcoming post traumatic stress" by Claudia Herbert and Ann Wetmore)and an A5 hardback notebook. ("I've got a little black book with my poems in!" for all of you Floyd fans!). Everywhere. You can stop and write at any time. And I do. Because getting well is more important than almost anything else.

The most imprtant thing i have lerqarned is to accept the normality of my injury and to stop bullying myself. A lot of my negative thinking was self attacking. Lots of "I should........." type thoughts.
I try to treat these fascists with the contempt they deserve now!
Rationalise.
There is hope.
 
Does anyone else find themselves plagued by persistent thoughts? I feel like I ought to be able to control them, but I cannot force them away. Usually I can only get the thought out of my head when I discuss it in therapy, but I'd love to get a little more control on it myself. These can really get me spiralling downward. Mostly these thought echo the abusive words I heard as a child.
hi,

I find that 'replacing' an unpleasant or obessive thought by substituting a different one is easier than simply 'willing' the bad thought not to happen (btw, this 'substitution' is a CBT approach). I think it works, because most of us can only hold one thought in our minds, at a time.

This does take some work and when you're not up to that, a less aggressive approach towards regaining control over your thought processes is to try to make better use of 'quiet' time. That's where if you've nothing to distract yourself, unwanted thoughts may be prone to resurface. When this was a problem for me, I'd find a distraction such as working on crossword puzzles, or doing freestyle Lego projects, or jigsaw puzzles, would hold my attention well enough and I'd not lapse into dwelling on unpleasant / dark thoughts. And just having an hour's break here or there was helpful, as 24/7 of even a mild annoyance can be incredibly tiresome and wear oneself down.

If you're able to practice this sort of routine (some of us might need meds to get our moods to this point of having that level of focus), by actively suppressing 'bad' thoughts, I think soon enough you may become skilled at doing this earlier and earlier as the 'bad' thought keeps trying to re-appear. I found I was managing this even before the first 'word' of an ugly phrase or sentence of a dark character would be able to repeat itself in my mind, as I came to know which thought was on the verge of starting up.

This may sound like a lot of work, but (at least for me) there's a big pay-off that was hinted at early in the game. The process becomes: (a) reflexive, pretty soon you barely think about doing it, and, eventually, (b) fully automatic, as you're no longer even aware that you're doing it. When I first started trying this, I noticed some small results in my mood and thought processes within a few hours. Since nothing else I'd done had been affecting the downward spiral I'd been coping with, I was confident this could be a winning technique for me. After a few days, I had no doubt about it. This method's become one of my best coping tools for modifying my moods over the past four years, and has allowed me to consciously starve dark thoughts so they'd not destroy my mood.

I think what's at work internally within our brains, is that by reflexively stopping the thought before we allow it to run through our mind, we're "starving" the thought pattern on a 'chemical' level as the 'rut' that the thought had earlier dug into our brains, starts to soften and become misshapen / less 'hard-wired'. In the continuing absence of reinforcement (so long as the thought's not allowed to fully repeat itself and revive, too often), eventually the thought pattern withers and dies, being completely replaced by new material.

I'm not familiar with EMDR, but from what little I've read about it, I think the principle involved there is to speed up this dissolving of thought habits: by aggressively overlaying a 'distraction' on top of the traumatic thoughts, the original dark thought becomes diluted / less pure, and so becomes easier to confront and deal with. An analogy might be of a car stuck in the mud and spinning it's wheels in a deepening rut: EMDR tosses in some sticks and dirt [notable stimulation to interrupt an unrelenting process, that serves to distract] while reliving the dark thought, which gives the tires (our minds) something to 'grip' and helps pull us out of that rut.

Don
 
funny story ...

walking in public one day I was agitated by intrusive thoughts/images and shouted out loud "STOP IT! THAT'S ENOUGH!" ...the poor guy walking towards me just about shat himself ....

I am a little more careful before shouting out aloud in public these days!
 
:rofl:Shiraz, that is so funny!

That's why it's good (or maybe bad) that I live alone. No one else can hear me if I tell the thoughts to "Get the ... out!"
 
I have recently joined this group and am so pleased to read that others face the same problems I do. I thought I was the only one out there that couldn't stop my brain from going where it went often without me. I have now damaged my teeth from grinding them and am suffering headaches most of the day every day. I have just had a CT scan and have promised to go to a dentist and again they will probably change my medication.
 
I used to have them all the time...
Impending doom was a major theme for me.

Meditation chants helped a lot. Repetitive yes. But they are positive chants that you replace the thoughts with.

I used Thich Nhat Hanh, a buddhist monk "mindfulness" meditations. That helped me more than years of therapy.

If you go search "mindfulness meditations" you might find some or one of his books with the same words in the title would have loads of them...

I used versions of his sometimes, like ... I do the dishes to do the dishes...and just repeated the damn thing over to keep out the impending doom. Eventually your brain stops thinking those thought. I swear!

I also used to say to myself... "Change the channel" Like my brain was TV. After I had gotten the meditations down some....then I would do a meditation after I changed the channel in my head...

Driving the car, I know where I am going. The car and I are one. If the car goes fast, I go fast. Repeat ad nauseum

Breathing in "I have arrived"; Breathing out "I am home"
Breathing in "In the here"; Breathing out "In the now"
Breathing in "I am solid"; Breathing out "I am free"
Breathing in "In the ultimate"; Breathing out "I dwell"

Waking up this morning I smile
knowing there are 24 brand new hours before me.
I vow to live fully in each moment,
and look at beings with eyes of compassion.


So after googling... I see that google books has a wealth of books that you can view the meditations directly. Just search google books for Thich Nhat Hanh lots of ways to keep out intrusive thoughts there...

Ok now that I have effectively distracted myself from writing a paper about Emile Durkheim I better get on track...:crazy:

Love me my Thich Nhat Hanh... Quiet Mind happy mind....I need to practice more.

~R
 
I have repetitive thoughts too. Daily. Mostly it's a repeat of some confrontation I had or something that happened that pissed me off. To stop it, I turn on music and sing the words. If I am not in the car or near music, I also yell out loud to get away, and slap myself if I am not alone, telling the people giving me strange looks that "I had a bee chasing me."

Nowadays there are so many people with those damn bluetooth ear phones on that when I see someone having a lovely, animated chat with themselves, I no longer believe that they just broke out of the funny farm.
 
I defintely suffer from this. It usually(though not always) revolves around whatever re-stimulated the trauma most recently. I just endlessly re-analyze the same scenarios without ever really resolving them. Its actually quite vicious. Even without a recent incident, my mind will often find things to obsess about.
 
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