Gah, @ShikibuZ, sorry, I had my fill of Chomsky when I was in grad school. It drove me crazy. What he says makes no sense to me in the context of how Russia interfered with our election and how Trump and his people colluded with them, which I think is pretty evident at this point. And no matter what Chomsky says, that is not a good thing.
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And, there are still hundreds of cabinet jobs that he hasn't even filled yet. Many of the dept. heads and depts. are having a tough job just trying to do their jobs!!! There is no way I would work there. The craziness, unstable environment, the backstabbing, the leaks, OMG!!!!!!! No thanks!!!!!
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No worries. Genuinely interested in what people think of this... Experienced my own moments of "but..."
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@desiderata310 started a thread recently about core beliefs & the role of the amygdala. I think a lot of 'opinions' about members of 'other groups' fall into that kind of thinking. If the beliefs are challenged directly, it is perceived as an existential threat. To change those types of beliefs, you have to engage the higher cognitive centers of the brain. And I think it helps to get to know people as people.
I'm honestly not sure about the role of formal education. At some point, it gets to sound like indoctrination, maybe even brain washing. Who gets to decide the script? I absolutely agree that history needs to be taught accurately, and often it's not. But I kind of think people should have the freedom to choose bigotry if they want to. I hope facts and exposure to the facts would make that rare, but I'm not sure about teaching people what to think. HOW to think is something else.
I'm honestly not sure about the role of formal education. At some point, it gets to sound like indoctrination, maybe even brain washing. Who gets to decide the script? I absolutely agree that history needs to be taught accurately, and often it's not. But I kind of think people should have the freedom to choose bigotry if they want to. I hope facts and exposure to the facts would make that rare, but I'm not sure about teaching people what to think. HOW to think is something else.
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Destruction of mainstream media is the open and stated goal of Trump staff: Breitbart’s Boyle: Our Goal Is the ‘Elimination of the Entire Mainstream Media’ - Breitbart
ETA: it looks like the attack on free speech isn't just from the right.
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ETA: it looks like the attack on free speech isn't just from the right.
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Wow, Spicey just resigned. I'm happy for him. He no longer has to go out most days and blatently lie. Good for him!
On the downside, Melissa McCarthy just lost a great character. I will miss seeing her ride the podium, but more glad for Sean.
@scout86, thank you. You hit on something really big. People need to learn how to think critically. I was not taught that in high school or even undergraduate so much. It was only in graduate school that my mind was woken up to really think critically and that I was rewarded for it. Maybe I had been doing it before, but I had never been rewarded for it (i.e., abusive narcissistic mother, think a female Trump). I think that's another important component. If someone is rewarded for only accepting what they want to hear, where is the motivation to think more daringly? More critically? I don't know. But I think this would be a productive discussion.
On the downside, Melissa McCarthy just lost a great character. I will miss seeing her ride the podium, but more glad for Sean.
@scout86, thank you. You hit on something really big. People need to learn how to think critically. I was not taught that in high school or even undergraduate so much. It was only in graduate school that my mind was woken up to really think critically and that I was rewarded for it. Maybe I had been doing it before, but I had never been rewarded for it (i.e., abusive narcissistic mother, think a female Trump). I think that's another important component. If someone is rewarded for only accepting what they want to hear, where is the motivation to think more daringly? More critically? I don't know. But I think this would be a productive discussion.
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Trump has fired so many people, and made it so difficult for others to stay... Now Sean Spicer has quit his job. I guess he won't be hiding in the bushes anymore. You can just sense that when Trump doesn't get the accolades he needs, you're out!!!!
@Justmehere Yes, I just said in a previous post in this thread that the attack on media was the first step. And this is how most Autocratic countries start!!!! It's very scary!!!!! Some how this needs to stop, before it gains speed and we start losing rights and we no longer have freedom of speech, religion and all the other freedoms that we have now.
@Justmehere Yes, I just said in a previous post in this thread that the attack on media was the first step. And this is how most Autocratic countries start!!!! It's very scary!!!!! Some how this needs to stop, before it gains speed and we start losing rights and we no longer have freedom of speech, religion and all the other freedoms that we have now.
Everyone should read Hitler's Willing Executioners by Daniel Goldhagen. It seems to me that a segment of our population fits that description. It's really scary. I don't know what to do about it, but historical knowledge is power, and maybe if enough brains get together we can avoid something really horrible.
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I respectfully disagree.
Absolutely agree. I endeavor to do this on a daily basis. That said, I truly wonder many public school teachers are afforded this luxury?
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Could you please explain your viewpoint on this???? I honestly don't see any benefit for bigotry, but I see a issue that bigotry causes. I don't think it's a choice either. I think people are kind of brainwashed into it. It's generational and it just repeats generation through generation.
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I don't see any benefit to bigotry either. I guess you could say it's a version of "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend the death your right to say it."
And, I think it's a choice. You can refuse to challenge your own beliefs, or those of the people around you. I'd call that either a fear response or shear laziness, depending on the situation. Or, you can choice to examine beliefs and be willing to update them. It might not be a choice that comes easily, but it's a choice.
One of the places I fault our educational system is that it not only doesn't teach or encourage critical thinking very often, it frequently discourages it. Too much emphasis on "THE right answer". I'd rather we spent more time on "here's a problem, how many ways can you find to solve it that work?"
So, I'm not ok with bigotry, but I'm also not ok with a group, any group, deciding they've cornered the market on truth.
And, I think it's a choice. You can refuse to challenge your own beliefs, or those of the people around you. I'd call that either a fear response or shear laziness, depending on the situation. Or, you can choice to examine beliefs and be willing to update them. It might not be a choice that comes easily, but it's a choice.
One of the places I fault our educational system is that it not only doesn't teach or encourage critical thinking very often, it frequently discourages it. Too much emphasis on "THE right answer". I'd rather we spent more time on "here's a problem, how many ways can you find to solve it that work?"
So, I'm not ok with bigotry, but I'm also not ok with a group, any group, deciding they've cornered the market on truth.
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