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Frustrating temp pdoc

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FauxLiz

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Okay so I am currently inpatient and I assure you it is not what I ever dreamed it would be which frustrates me. However that is not the challenge. The Pdoc that I have been assigned here is a perfectly sweet things with what appears to be NO experience with PTSD. We talked honestly during our first encounter a few days ago and then when we met the next day (yesterday) she was all about how she doesn't think the idea to wean off my meds that MY Pdoc and I agreed to on Friday was wise because with me being Bipolar it wouldn't be good.

Hello, I have NEVER been diagnosed as Bipolar by anyone and certainly not by Pdoc's that have spent more than 45 min with me. Now she is all like she is right that the PTSD diagnosis was incorrect (never asked any questions about my actual non-medical history) and thinks she has me figured out. I don't know what to do, I am inpatient its not like I can just refuse to see here again. I can't go back to square one on this.

Help please?
 
Stupid breeds stupid!!!!!! Has she even contacted your psych, therapist, or Pdoc? Doesn’t sound like she has. I would sit there smile, and then prove her wrong. Talk about your trauma, the biggest things. Ask her what she based her diagnosis on. Asked her if she has contacted your ^^^^^^^. If not tell her too.

I would disagree with her, mainly because many Drs will diagnose bipolar when PTSD is actually the real diagnosis, because the symptoms/behavior are similar.

I would also chalk this up to one of the worst experiences you’ve ever had as far as HELP was concerned. How long do you have to stay there?????
 
I agree that maybe ask if your inpatient doc can call your regular doc to get a better idea of your conditions/treatment. I have been in inpatient too and I thought finally, they will get to the bottom of my issues. But they were even more busy and indifferent than regular outpatient doctor and therapists. So I had to lower my expectations and just nod and smile.
 
You may have to nod and smile and work on getting yourself out of there ASAP.

I'm assuming you're in a local hospital and not a specialty hospital? (Most local hospitals are holding places at best, and hell on earth at worst.)

Can you ASK her why she has given you a bipolar diagnosis? Can you tell her point blank that you have never had a manic or hypomanic episode?

Is she just looking at your meds and saying "yep, bipolar!" Yeah, I could see that happening to me. I'm on a mood stabilizer but not bipolar. My moods yo-yo but its not bipolar. It took many therapists/doctors before I had one that understood that not all mood fluctuation issues indicate bipolar. But, I digress...
 
Thanks everyone. No she hasn't contacted either of my outpatient docs Pdoc or T. Her diagnosis is based upon the fact that I can talk calmly and with a smile on my face about the fact that I tend to self harm and struggle with suicidal ideation. I guess the part during intake where I stated that my goal here was to wean off the A/D and mood stabilizer to help with emotional disassociation and blunting from PTSD went completely over her head and she has never experienced a patient that truly deals with minimization in terms of their past and current circumstances.

I have submitted the paperwork for discharge now it is just a point of wait and see. Will she keep me the full 72 hours, fight something I won't even need an attorney to win because I am lucid, not self harming and not currently suicidal so I doubt the courts will appreciate her wasting their time if she does. @EveHarrington you are right just a local hospital and a joke. I sat in our joint session with the social worker yesterday and listed the number of items readily accessible to me 24/7 since I arrived if I wanted to self harm (including knives with meals) and that for a locked facility (the hall I was on at the time) it wasn't terribly safe. Lol.
 
Sigh.

A bipolar diagnosis requires episodes of mania or hypomania.... If this wasn't even discussed, then she really has no clue what she's doing. Of course there are other criteria for bipolar disorder, but without mania or hypomania....no dice! Some doctors consider agitation to be a type of hypomania, but I don't buy this unless there is overwhelming evidence of other bipolar type symptoms. That is, you don't diagnose bipolar by saying that the agitation alone counts as hypomania.

Its likely that she'll keep you the 72 hours. In my state no court order is needed for the 72 hour hold. Beyond that, they do need a judge to sign off. If you're not in danger to yourself, then most likely you'll be let go. (I'm hoping.)

I'd abstain from talking about objects you could use to harm yourself. This could be seen as intent and ultimately used against you as proof that you are a danger to yourself....even if said as a joke.

I'm not surprised that she hasn't contacted your outpatient providers. There is a pissing match amongst many docs, and when inpatient, the inpatient doc rules supreme. Usually there is no contact with outpatient providers beyond providing them with discharge papers.
 
@EveHarrington you are most likely right about keeping me the 72 hours. She had me take another psych test this afternoon, guessing the MMPI didn't give her what she wanted. I started to sit in group this afternoon but walked out after 30 (used needing to take the test as a reason) because the fricking idiot leading is was an ass and trying to follow the party line of "well you don't see the snow outside as something peaceful and meditative so you must be very anxious. All I said was I looked at the snow on the ground and thought, hmm someone is going to have to shovel that walking path before we walk to the exercise room for that group. Silly me being practical.
 
Just wondering here and thinking about how to frame this in a helpful way...what if you took the 72 hours and used them to help you wil issues you are working through? How about lay it all out and let them see what they think. It doesn’t mean you have to follow what they tell you to do, or maybe you choose to do what they suggest. Who knows? This I do know, sometimes the smallest step in the most uncomfortable direction ends up being the biggest step that opens the door to healing. Maybe they are all nuts and incapable of helping you but until you give them the opportunity to look at YOU without all the walls up, you simply cannot be sure that maybe someone there might have some helpful advice. Stop. Fighting. It is exhausting and will only leave you feeling more hollow and empty than you do now. OR, keep fighting and you have the assurance that it will never get better. If you put as much energy into healing and feeling better as you put in to writing this thread and fighting with everyone tasked to help you, perhaps you would be on your way to kicking the ptsd. I say this bc I HAVE BEEN THERE. I hope you can read this with the intent that I mean it in and that is only to give you a different way of thinking about it. Please know that I have walked that journey myself and know how hard it is. Sending positive thoughts and mojo your way.
 
Acute psych hospitals are good at keeping people alive and stabilizing safety issues, and sometimes arranging better outpatient care. (Except knives at meals? Yikes!)

They are rarely good at much else.

What was the cause for this hospitalization? They clearly thought there was a reason to admit you. Were they wrong on that reason? Or has that reason for the admission been resolved in less than 72 hours?

Acute psych units sometimes can give a little space for someone to work through a few things. But generally, the goals are not in-depth work with reducing trauma based defenses like minimization. It’s not on their radar. Yeah ir would be good if it was, but it’s generally not. The docs are trained in getting patients to a place they are not a danger to themselves or others and can function on a very basic level and send them out the door to engage in outpatient care.

Going around and pointing out all the ways you could harm yourself while there, and fighting the staff on the practicals of shoveling snow when they were trying to help with developing a cognitive reframing coping skill to manage symptoms... is probably going to lead to them either keeping you for the full 72 hours or letting you go with little help and much more frustration than when you went in.

It’s totally fair to be frustrated about the bipolar diagnosis and not understanding trauma. But you also know you are minimizing the past and current circumstances. What about dropping that defensive mechanism a bit and getting a bit more real with the doc about the hell you have been through in the past and how much you are struggling now? You didn’t end up there looking for a vacation. You are there to get help. Clue her in to how your distress is showing up in your life to lead you to be there. It will be scary to do this, but it might help her get it better.

The doc should at least be communicating with your outpatient treatment team. If that doesn’t happen soon, consider contacting the patient advocate for the hospital or perhaps the social worker. The fact they are doing psych testing and brining in a social worker is actually more than psych hospitals in my area would bother to do and is a sign she’s at least trying to gather info and people to help. I’m not saying she’s a good doc or the right doc for you, but you are stuck there for be time being, and you can either start to confront your resistance or keep fighting them and walking out. And maybe right now, the fight is helping you find your voice, but just know it will come at a cost of not getting as much help as you could during this stay, however long it is that you end up being there.

They may be totally sh*t and not be the right place to work in your stuff but I think the bigger issue here might be to use this time and space to figure out what would help to bring your defenses down, and help you with the real pain and suffering you are in to end up there in the first place. Something led up to you being there. Don’t push whatever that was away.

Any hospital stay sucks. It just does. On acute units, one has to give up freedom, deal with staff that is clueless about the ins and outs of trauma and PTSD, and just being there at all is a sign that things have been rough lately.

Stay or go, my heart goes out to you that things have been difficult and it stinks that they don’t get it. :hug:
 
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@Rumors and @Justmehere you are both right about dropping the defenses and getting what I can out of here while I am here. You are also right that criticizing their system and programs (even though it has remained largely in my head) isn't helpful. We have agreed that we will discharge at the end of the day on Friday. I can work with that.

@Justmehere the reason for the hospitalization was two-fold. Suicidal Ideation with attempt two weeks ago and a future date plan which lead my therapist whom I respect and trust to strongly suggest (with overtones of possible involuntary) evaluation for a higher level of care. This care team and my outpatient team and I will be having a conference call tomorrow. I think they hope that I can be convinced to stay longer which I won't completely rule out but I will be honest that I doubt it will happen.
 
I’m really glad you survived the attempt and that you and had the courage to give this a try. The conference call also seems like good progress to get everyone on the same page, and it’s great you are at least willing to consider their input, and they are willing to work with you on the discharge date too. All good signs.

If your treatment teams are just beginning to figure stuff out and work together better, it might be worth sticking it out a bit longer. They might have a lot better plan in place for your treatment, for both your inpatient and outpatient care, if you give it a little more time.

And I know, I really know, it stinks to be there and navigate all of this. If you are not willing to stay, then what’s your plan when you go? The more you can focus on changes that you are willing to make and try as an outpatient, the better this may all go.
 
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