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News Hooray! Osama Bin Laden Is Dead!!!!

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I AM REALLY SORRY I EVER STARTED THIS THREAD. SEEING HOW EVERYONE IS BECOMING ANGRY AND BICKERING BACK AND FOURTH.

I WAS SO EXCITED WHEN I FOUND OUT THE NEWS. THAT MAN WHO ORDERED THE ATTACKS THAT KILLED SO MANY AMERICANS ON THAT DREADFUL DAY. THAT WAS MY POINT OF POSTING THIS

PERIOD.

IF I HAD KNOW THAT THIS THREAD WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO WHAT IT HAS I WOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED IT. I AGREE 100% PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINIONS BUT THERE'S ENOUGH FIGHTING GOING ON IN THE WORLD. LET'S LEAVE IT THERE.
 
This thread has now gone past the boundaries of a healthy discussion it was meant to be.

As no one seems to be able to now discuss this in the way it was intended, I am going to lock it so no further replies can be addded.

If Anthony or Nicolette open it up again, that is fine.

Amethist
 
I have unlocked this, and I will state though... respect others opinions, regardless what your own is... respect theirs for just that, their opinion.

The idea of such discussions is to learn how to become assertive, which means, respecting what an opinion is and leaving it at that. Every person here has a choice to respond or not, and own their behaviour. DO NOT blame another's opinion for you being argumentative... that is aggressive behaviour, not assertive.
 
I was actually very impressed with this forum and the kindness and support I seen shown to each other. However, I got the message...sit down and shut up.

I am truly sorry you feel that way. Everyone has a different opinion on here.

I can understand how some of the comments made would upset you and you have every right to express you wanting others to be a little more compassionate. When I realized that I had hurt your feelings by my own comments, I did not post again. As my opinions completely differ from yours and I could see that it would further upset you.

My latest comment to you was not a sit down and shut up. It was letting you know that you have to take care of yourself when you feel something is getting to you like that. I was annoyed by a few of these comments but as Anthony said..Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I chose to step back from this because I did not want my opinions upsetting anyone regardless of my right to express them. I also felt myself becoming angry when reading them. I can be a loose cannon at times and this forum is not the place for that. When I took a step back...I realized.."Why am I getting mad over these people's opinions that I don't even know?" It wasn't them making me angry. It was me taking their opinions to heart. You are living the military life so of course this is going to be a passionate topic for you.

Like you stated in an earlier post....we are all here because we have some similarities regardless of our political views. I respect every single one of your opinions as well as your right to voice them. I think you are very intelligent as well as articulate. I have enjoyed reading many of your posts as they are well thought out.

I'm a lover not a fighter these days. So, I really hope we can just squash this.
 
Well... all I could say is... most wouldn't like my opinion of any of this, because it stems right back to who's actually at primary fault for this in the first place, and it isn't Osama Bin Laden or his group.

Whilst I DO NOT condone the killing of innocent people, Osama Bin Laden made it very clear right from the beginning why he attacked America, and it seems that all got lost in the typical US media whitewash of bullshit that they spread within that country. He also made it very clear for other countries to stay out of it, otherwise they would be seen equally as aggressive as America to them, otherwise, the group has no issue with another country... hence why the UK got attacked, and several attempts have been squashed in Australia so far, but our turn will be coming as well, because we helped America with their lie by putting troops into Afghanistan.

Putting it simple... all roads lead back to the American politicians and leaders of the country.
 
OK- I don't like political debate very much because it seems to me that most people do a lot of shouting and not a lot of listening. But I'm going to try to state some of my responses to what I've been reading here. All personal opinion, so don't get too hot under the collar, ok?

I am a patriotic person not because I believe America deserves it, but because I think America needs it. When the people who live in a country stop believing in the country's future, it stops having one. I am so exhausted with the news media here ripping and tearing at everything. I am so tired of the criticisms everyone throws at us, and that we throw at ourselves. Unless Americans can start believing in and investing in America again, what will become of us?

I think the best thing we could do to honor the military who serve and protect us would be to live lives of honor and integrity, giving our lives to building our families and communities. Why would they give their lives and their sanity to protect people who want to sit around and watch reality TV and swill beer and go to strip bars? If we don't stop the selfishness and become better people, pretty soon our military and police forces are going to wake up and look around and ask, "Why are we protecting these people again?"

I believe the church and state should never have been forcibly separated they way they have in America. Religion should not be legislated, but it should not be outlawed, either. All law is grounded in morality, which comes from religion. Either our religion or theirs. Anyone who disagrees with the Christian foundation of American law should try living under the law in a couple other countries I can think of. Anyone who tries to write religion out of the law is actually trying to write in the legislation of liberal humanism, as much a system of codified, rigid beliefs as any religious system you can name, and not inherently better just because it doesn't call itself a religion.

I don't believe the death of Bin Laudin will change anything because I believe the true force behind this war is that there is a whole culture of people out there who hate Americans and will stop at nothing to destroy us. I believe we have the right to defend ourselves. I also believe that our defense of ourselves is often tainted by greed and oily political motivations that the people involved won't admit to because they think the American people are stupid. Unfortunately, I guess a lot of us are. We have to get smarter and start THINKING instead of just voting for a cute face and a good speech-writer.

I do not agree that we should stop treating the people arrested as suspects of terrorism differently. The Geneva convention is VERY important, as are our laws of due process. The argument that our military is saving American lives by torturing suspects horrifies me. If we start this kind of behavior, where will it stop? What will differentiate us from the people we are fighting? Yes, some lives may be saved, but at what cost? I think it is appalling, and it shames me by association.

I am proud of every effort our military has made since World War II to rebuild and re-establish the countries that we invade. One of my greatest frustrations with the people who keep yelling that we should "Get out of Iraq NOW" for the last however many years is the knowledge that if we DID take their advice and just withdraw suddenly that it would turn that area into a cesspit of violence and abuses that is almost unimaginable. It's true it could be argued that cleaning up their country is not our job, but I am grateful to the men and women who stayed to try and do such an impossible task anyhow. I think it's funny that some of the people who have been yelling the loudest that we should get out of Iraq are also the people who, several years ago, were yelling the loudest that President Bush should "Do something about the terrorists RIGHT NOW." What did they expect him to do? They whine that they want to be safe, but they whine about anything the country tries to do to keep them safe, too. I think the American people need to start being careful what they ask for. Everything has a price, including freedom and national health care.
 
Every country is progressively going to shit IMHO... and it has a lot to do with the unsustainable dynamics to my knowledge... being, how can the world progressively populate, based on as numbers grow, population grows exponentially with those numbers, and the earth is only so big and has so many resources, equals: we're all f*cked IMHO sooner or later.
 
Extremism is the culprit here, and if left unchecked the goals of Al Qaeda are international. Although completely different ideologies, the result of extremism can be seen historically in the Inquisition and in the Nazi movement. Quite frankly the US did fund Al Qaeda and the Taliban for all the years they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, as that was the ideology that was being fought at that time. But, in my opinion, I do not think the US political leaders or military leaders saw the danger in the side they were trying to back at that time.

Personally, I am relieved that Osama Bin Ladan was found; and wonder why targeted killing was utilized in the beginning to destabilize the organization, and perhaps have shortened this conflict. Our troops have my deepest respect and support as they are doing what they feel called to do,and regardless of color, religion, age, profession, etc. have sacrificed their individual lives to serve their country.

The United States politically is far, far, from perfect. But as a nation, if we don't like who is in charge, vote them out. Our biggest enemy is the apathy that seems to have settled upon the American voter, and our ignorance of key issues that affect our lives, country, and the world. Diplomacy seems to be a lost art, and the political culture of self the main ingredient of both parties. But when it comes to those who serve, it is selflessness that stands out.
 
I suppose it's inevitable this turned into a political discussion and equally inevitable the discussion would be one of er, contention. I'm uncharacterisically staying out of that bit because I'm with Heather on this. Bin Laden, in his last moments, grabbed his wife and used her as human shield. Nice. That's beyond having flown planes into our citizens and yes, was the figurehead of at least of extremists who would have done it again 20 times if they could. A human life gone? Yes, there is one. For the sake of his victims and all the sacrifices our military has had to make, despite the ruthlessness of this statement yes, I'm glad he's gone.
 
For years I anticipated how much relief I would get and how he would "get his" when my father died. Well, he died way too late, it was uneventful and I was left to deal with my wounds. When the man who beat me unconscious then held a knife to my throat for half an hour threatening to cut my head off died years after I packed up, leaving my whole life behind, I thought "thank God I won't have to keeping running looking over my shoulder", but I was left with feeling the need to move 3,000 miles away and dealing with my fear. So when I saw the news that Bin Laden died it was just another footnote. I knew he would be caught, I knew he would killed, he was an evil person and that's what eventually happens but it never seems to bring me resolution it just seems to be about right after the damage is all done, way too late.

I support our troops fully, having been part of the military in one way or another most of my life. I know how horrible the system is for them and how much worse it has gotten. I know the price they pay and the dedication. I mourn deeply for the victims of 9/1, I watched it all unfold just after I got out of the hospital for the second time and I will never be able to forget the horror of that.

Rain
 
Quite frankly the US did fund Al Qaeda and the Taliban for all the years they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, as that was the ideology that was being fought at that time. But, in my opinion, I do not think the US political leaders or military leaders saw the danger in the side they were trying to back at that time.

An interesting point, and quite true. In the name of "fighting the spread of communism" the US backed a number of people who turned out to be scary dictators that they later repudiated and pretended we had nothing to do with. Many of them, the connection of US support has actually been written out of our history books and is only now beginning to come to light again.
 
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