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In one breath they talk about love and light (their own ofcourse) and in the next, they are talking about how you have to get rid of negative people because they bring you down.

I didn't know love and light were in such limited supply it's necessary for people to keep them to themselves.

These sound like the people to get rid of! I'm kind of serious. I think being around unsympathetic/don't want to hear people is damaging, whether in real life or in a chat room.
 
OOps, I am sorry, I just read my quote- I meant to say that many people just do not want to get involved with the negative. It was not meant to say "good". Very neutral and not saying if they are good or bad. The majority of people cannot deal with the negative.
 
i feel that perhaps being a good person, or being there to support others is about accepting when you don't know what to do, and learning...and maybe they have too much going on to be able to...But, I think too many times, people are just not willing to stop and help a friend.

I think that it is not often about people not being willing to stop and help a friend. I feel it is important to not take this personally and to not feel rejected. People are who they are - flawed, silly, unaware, out of their depth and sometimes just busy in their own lives.

Helping a friend is more simple than dealing with high level PTSD distress though. I think we need to be clear about that. Otherwise we have child-parent expectations of the people around us and that sets us up to feel unhappy about ourselves.

People, also, on the other hand, are not counsellors, psychologists or psychriatrists. And I know how hard it is when you want to talk to someone and reach out and there is no one to listen or be there for or with you. That is tough. However, there are some things which are not appropriate for friendship and which are unreasonable to expect people to listen to or understand. Professionals are all in debriefing groups and supervision - some of them - on top of having studied for 12 years. So it is not surprising that people in general can't cope with PTSD or child sexual abuse or the rest of it. How do they manage all those feelings of powerlessness and sadness and overwhelm, which even professionals find difficult to deal with.

I would suggest that taking someone's inability or unwillingness to listen to you - not as a rejection - not as a snub, even that is one way to read it. It could also be that they recognise what you are going through is so serious that they don't want to get in the way of someone who could really help you. So it could be a honest caring response as well.

With the hyperviligiance of PTSD it is hard not to be paranoid - it becomes hardwired in to us - but it is important to sometimes float other ideas and theories to enlarge our thinking processes and our ways of seeing ourselves and people in our lives.

I try not to listen to people any more because I have so much on my own plate. I also don't have the skills that are necessary for some situations. I am, myself, just getting though the day.

Also one thing that I have noticed, after a lifetime of listening to people is that if you do this then they stop treating you like a friend. You don't get invited out. You don't stay as part of the friendship network. You are the "support" person. That is not a fun position to be in either. So there are many layers to it. The obvious one to our PTSD minds is that no one cares, or we are being rejected and so forth. But this might not be so.
 
I think that it takes a very special person or a very special love to be able to deal with ptsd. Frankly, you would have to be a bit off to want to spend a saturday night with me.

I dont want to bring others down either, I want to move up to where others are and happier.
I know from my own experience, when you give a hand to someone down, you do risk being pulled into a current of the ocean that may not be best. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
I think that it takes a very special person or a very special love to be able to deal with ptsd. Frankly, you would have to be a bit off to want to spend a saturday night with me.

I would disagree with that brat17. No one would have to be a bit off to want to spend a Saturday night with you!

Don't put yourself down like that. *cheekily shakes finger*

We are all different, and at different stages of our healing, with different things to offer.
 
Hmmm... I would like to add that sometimes people don't seem to want to help or listen or learn due to their own ignorance. They like their world and anything which differs to what they know makes them uncomfortable - a form of denial so to speak.

Conversely, and I say this with love and compassion, convincing a PTSD sufferer that you do care and you do want to know and you will listen can be a challenge. Maybe due to your sometimes low self esteem I feel that some of you sometimes make the decision for others that they wouldn't want to care........Just because outsiders don't get it or don't give the right response does not mean their heart and intentions are in the wrong place.

I'm a pretty open person and I see people get awkward when they ask me about why I don't have anything to do with my family with an answer is that is not terrible - I just say they are not healthy for me. I believe this to be their chosen ignorance to how the world is truly coloured (or should I say tainted)?
 
The obvious one to our PTSD minds is that no one cares, or we are being rejected and so forth.

This isn't something I believe about myself.

People are who they are - flawed, silly, unaware, out of their depth and sometimes just busy in their own lives.

This was much more along my line of thinking.

If people don't want to do that, it is ofcourse their choice and maybe they have too much going on to be able to.

I understand that others are flawed (above) because I am flawed myself. There are times when I find I'm unable to help or I just don't understand how they are feeling.

i feel that perhaps being a good person, or being there to support others is about accepting when you don't know what to do, and learning.

So as I tried to show here - it isn't that expect others to help. But that there is a section of society who get caught up in their self-identity as good; a helper or here to fix others faults.

But rather than accept that they are unable to be helpful (for whatever reason), they become fixated on the situation and turn to putting the other down for not being helped by them.

It's this that I'm critisizing, rather than peoples abilities/inabilities.
 
So as I tried to show here - it isn't that expect others to help. But that there is a section of society who get caught up in their self-identity as good; a helper or here to fix others faults.

But rather than accept that they are unable to be helpful (for whatever reason), they become fixated on the situation and turn to putting the other down for not being helped by them.

It's this that I'm critisizing, rather than peoples abilities/inabilities.

Okay thanks for clarifying Meadowsweet, I misunderstood.
 
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