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US Economy in Recession

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anthony

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I was just checking out economy.com, as I tend to do, and found they have a dedicated recession watch now for USA. I was just reading up on some news over the past day and the figures have been released on the state of mortgages within the US. Figures not unheard off since the great depression, 1 in 8 mortgage holders now owe more money on their mortgage than their property is worth. That is a massive statistic. This equates to nearly 9 million Americans owe more than they own on their mortgage, basically their property is useless in value due to decreasing property rates, personal debt increases and interest rate increases.

You just don't even want to see the personal debt from credit cards.... oh my goodness.... Someone was just saying the other day here somewhere, how they believed the economy was not that bad at all... yet recession watch says very differently.

On a side note, let me just say Australia will be heading towards recession with this stupid Labour Government in control with an inability to manage inflation correctly. They make some seriously stupid decisions time and time again with the economy.... I didn't vote for the spanners, the Y-Generation did, being never worked under a Labour Government, they will learn by the end of their reign once unemployment rises. For those not Australian, the Labour Government is a reactive Government, not a proactive Government like the Coalition party.
 
Anthony,

From what I heard on the news yesterday, Ma. has the highest home foreclosure rate in the U.S. This is scary and I am afraid going to get more scary. Credit cards can be a life safer at times, or you can drown with them when you get out of control.
 
I definitely see the recession in my area, and I live in a major metropolitan area which usually has an abundance of jobs. Housing prices here have dropped for the first time in 20 years. There are foreclosures all over the place.

I can barely cover my mortgage and my credit card is maxed out, mostly because it's so expensive to live here (my mortgage is about 70% of my monthly take-home pay). Not making excuses, I've made my bed and I'll lie in it. But I definitely hope things look up soon. I'm hoping to hang on until the market bounces back and I can sell the house without a loss.
 
Predatory lenders should be behind bars. The USA allowed big business to prey upon those who are poor and less educated in order for a select few to make big profits.

On the other hand, I wish more people weren't so naive as to get themselves in such a horrible situation. Imagine having the "American Dream" waving before your eyes, when all you've known is struggle and poverty.

The American way is to live beyond on our means, to never own anything, and anything we do own is disposable.

Best,
Rachel
 
Rachel, damn well said. The US Government allowed credit providers to near have free reign across your country, no doubt they hid behind some constitution or the like as an excuse. How I perceived it, a few wanted to get rich so they allowed it. The Government has to exercise certain rights and responsibilities, firstly being what is in the best interest of the public, not themselves. I will use Australia as an example. Some people believe Australia is harsh with our laws, but if your Australian you don't see it that way.

America has the second amendment, right to bear arms. Australia it is illegal to own a firearm unless specifically approved and licensed through the Government. You cannot just own one for the sake of owning one. If your a farmer you will typically have a license. If you are a registered member of a sporting firearms club you will be allowed a license to hold those arms only. Typically, those weapons remain at the club though secured in their armoury. If you take them home in Australia... well, let me just say it is easier to leave them at the shooting club. Now this is an example; please do not take it and run off-topic with this point. The point is, what one country views as a right another views as a hinderance. Lets be honest, Australia has far less firearms related issues than the US. The reason we have that is because the Government had to act in a manner appropriate to the publics well being, not what it thinks is right, but take in all sides of an argument and make a decision based on conclusive outcomes, other countries experience, etc. Australia cracked down on weapons mainly because the problems from the US where enough to make sense that weapons are not a viable solution to put in the publics hands. It creates more issues than not.

Now, take the example above and apply it to credit providers. Again, do not use the above paragraph in this thread, as it was an example only, not a debate. Australia stopped credit providers from trying to do what they did in America, bypassing the laws for sufficiency to repay a loan. They tried to get around the very processes and calculations required against a person in order to obtain credit that protects the consumer and country as a whole from bankruptcy. They failed miserably. Australia laxed a few laws for those who have bad debt, in that they can obtain a small loan during that time in which they can prove they can repay a loan. If they fail again, you just won't get another. If you show you can repay a small loan if you endured previous issues, then you may get one though it still depends on your income and any debt, which includes expenses such as rent, utilities required to live, food, car running costs, etc etc.

The American Government can always change their laws, and the population should be pushing them for it. Push the Government to force a change in laws so that credit companies cannot provide loans to those who cannot prove they can live and cater a loan. Sure, damage is done in the US from credit providers free ability, their ability to manipulate senate for changes so that even bankruptcy doesn't remove credit card debt, but the laws can change if the laws are made tougher in the first place. Sure, it hinders some progress in a country, but it also eliminates a lot of risk from a country sending itself broke through consumer debt.

Australia made its laws tougher for a reason, because as a Nation the population wanted out of debt, which the country achieved a couple of years ago now. No foreign debt... totally owned country. America as a population IMHO should be aiming for the same thing.... freedom has a price and the USA is suffering that price. Freedom vs. best interest is debatable... and some things must be rules strictly because if let free in the consumers hands will be abused every single time because the consumer has less control than the Government as a whole.

I would love to see the USA become a tougher country... tougher on itself and cease all this freedom nonsense that has put it in so deep that the country will never realistically own itself, instead foreign countries will own the very nation, where the nations citizens should own the country through investment, employment, good internal growth and stead wealth. That is how a country removes its debt, internal growth and stability. It is a shame to see the US go down, but I as an outsider certainly hope to see the citizens of the country unite for massive change in Government policy and law. Instead of fighting what IS working in other countries around the world, adopt experience of others and take the best parts, remove the worst, make changes for the better of the nation... not political self.

Our politicians pay is now being cut even, as citizens have had enough of political pay rises and enough have roared to make change. The PM is cutting back on politicians pay and allowances, cutting it way back and making them very accountable for every cent of public monies. We have politicians being sacked here for even trying to spend public monies for self gain... very strict here, though good as it removes abuse as a majority. Yes, you will always have someone who will try, but they get caught here. There are a lot of countries who are very strict in Governance, all of which is only helping those countries grow internal wealth and keep growing populations in control.

Lets face the facts, world populations have sprouted over the last 100 years, and controlling that influx is not through relaxing laws, instead tightening them to give much less manoeuvrability.

My two cents.... again, please do not use the guns aspect as a topic of discussion in this thread, as it was used only as an example.
 
Anthony

I really like your outlook on what the USA needs to do in order to get our country back. One of the major problems with regards to actually making that happen is that so many people who consider themselves politically "conservative", consider themselves such because of social policies. Yet, so many of those same people live in the poorest parts of our country and will continue to vote conservatively.

I'm amused that in order to bring this country out of a recession, the government will be issuing checks in order to stimulate the economy, meaning they need people to shop instead of save. And who do you think will shop instead of save? Poor people - because they live check to check and need to buy groceries or what have you. Those who are not in such a predicament will save that money or pay down a loan. So the government allowed people to get taken advantage of, and now that it has back fired, they want to put money in the hands of the same people they screwed in the first place because we are dependent upon them to get us out of a recession. So who really has control over our destiny? WE do. If only more people would stand up and stop the lunacy, get their heads on straight and stop allowing BS social policies dictate their political affiliations. Because Roe V Wade will NEVER be overturned. Gay people WILL continue to be together no matter what society says.

The USA practices neo-slave-labor. Visit a place called Indiantown, Florida, where Mexicans live in row-house ghettos that consists of a room with a bunk-bed in it and nothing else. These people living in those ghettos work in the orange groves during the day, off the books, making next to nothing. They don't pay into medicare or social security. Their employers don't pay into unemployment. Just another example as to why this country is in debt.

Just my opinion, of course.

Best,
Rachel
 
We definately see it here. I live in niagara falls and there is a canada to the us border right here. Growing up....american money was always worth more than canadian. Now...I beleive I was at a gas station the other day and the sign said the american dollar was 5 cents below the canadian. I remember when a canadian dollar was only equivalent to 60 cents or the american was worth 1.40 on the canadian side. I know some canadians taking advantage of shopping over there.....it is unbeleivable really. What a change and a blow for the US.
 
WOW Rachel... pretty interesting. I think Americans should make a common website, one which is known all throughout the US which citizens post with pictures the facts of what is going on in each community. It would bring your Government in line quite quickly.... people have more power than you think, especially when outside countries see even more issues and instability within the US, means the more money they pull out of the country, which means the US as a country then have to cleanup their act to get money and wealth back from the world flowing through their country.

There is one method to remove a lot of corruption immediately from the US Government. Remove the ability for all politicians to solicit campaign funds, instead making every politician campaign on a limited budget provided by the Government and they are all equal. Once in office they owe nobody anything for helping them get there. A politician cannot be honest if they are corrupt and "owe" something before they even get into power.

Thinking about it.... the best way I could ever recommend to the US to fix its problem for longevity, would be to remove this from politicians and control campaigning period. It stops the commercialised corruption that controls politicians to provide favours over doing what is right by the local communities. If all local communities are being majority pushed and coaxed by the public of that community, then the country as a whole by the time politics reaches the top makes it extremely accountable, because all those local politicians ultimate aim is more often than not to reach a top position of power. That means they will bring down any and all corruption known above them to get power, the salary they so want. Australia works something like this, along with many other countries, though obviously all countries are quite unique in their political structure which is what makes each country unique, though I guess I am saying there are certain methods you could use in any political structure to ensure honesty the majority of the time.
 
At first I couldn't even LOOK at this thread...gets me too nervous. I bought my condo. in March of 06, with only 5% down, and now I see that places in my complex are WAY cheaper than what I had spent. Now, while I do take full responsibility for my financial actions, I do feel as though I was taken advantage of.

Since I was only 25 when I bought, I had NO idea of the process, and I relied on what the lawyers, mortgage brokers, and management company told me. Since I didn't ut 20% down, I took out an 80/20 so that I wouldn't have to pay the PMI and "waste my money." Well, during the month or two before signing, I was told that I had a 30 year fixed, and that is what I wanted. When it came to signing day, I was suddenly told that only the larger loan is fixed; the other is not. However, I was assured (BY MY LAWYER) that the other loan would not fluctuate more than five dollars. So...I signed and got the keys. Needless to say, the second mortgage jumped. Luckily the feds have recently lowered the interest rate...so I'm saved...for now. This is onloy ONE of the issues I've had with my condo...you wouldn't believe what I've had to go through with the condo management company and how I had NO HEAT!!! (Um, and I live in Boston!)

Anyway, enough of that vent...when G.W.Bush got elected for a second term I was really thinking about moving to Canada...but then I remembered that I teach U.S. literature, and probably couldn't get a job in Canada...or anywhere else.

Honestly, I don't think the U.S. will ever change...no matter how many chants Obama starts. Damn...I should have invested in Euros...
 
The American Government can always change their laws, and the population should be pushing them for it.

Anthony, I respect your argument and appreciate your interest in making my country better, however this statement makes it obvious that you're half a world away. Perceptions on the outside are no doubt different than from within.

My perception:
These are not the Revolutionary days of "for the people, by the people" when ordinary citizens created and ran the government. These are the days of career politicians, these are the days of corporate/special interest and lobbying. You often need lots of money and influence to change things around here, not the voice of the majority. The American people are more removed from the government than they used to be.

The US Government allowed credit providers to near have free reign across your country, no doubt they hid behind some constitution or the like as an excuse. How I perceived it, a few wanted to get rich so they allowed it.

Probably had more to do with lobbying and generous campaign donations.

My two cents.... again, please do not use the guns aspect as a topic of discussion in this thread, as it was used only as an example.

I will not debate the guns issue, however I will point out that your example comes from the Bill of Rights, a document created over 200 years ago. Again, these are very different times. In today's America the amendment would never have passed.
 
I respectfully disagree, Upstream.

We had a candidate running for President who took NO campaign contributions, NO ONE owned him. His platform ran on "change", a platform he's been preaching for years, not for just the last year like Obama. I'm not "dissing" Obama, but the "change" platform is not something he invented.

Unfortunately, the citizens of this great nation must love politicans who are owned by special interests groups because they continue to vote for big money politicians.

Maybe I'm naive, but I do believe that this country needs a revolution, if only enough people believed we could make a change. The power really is in our hands if we really want it to be. Personally, I think too many living in this country are brainwashed.

Just my 2 additional cents.

Best,
Rachel
 
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