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On The Topic Of Forgiveness And Our Ability To Do So

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@TheBubzilla I haven't read the letter, but I would suggest hold back and wait. You are in an immensely stressful situation, and I have been reading your various threads and I am concerned for you - you have massive stressors in your life. If you send letters they can be kept and used against you. It is never good to write these things down, in my opinion. I have made that mistake as well.

Also you have a child now and your in-laws can take it out and direct their anger through your daughter, so you might need to think more strategically about that. I urge caution. I really urge caution. Writing all those letters to your parents was one thing, but this is your partner's family, don't take on his fights/issues. Don't become their punching bag or scapegoat.

By all means, write the letters, but then deal with them in therapy and then burn them. You aren't going to get anything from these people, pretty much the way you are not getting that much from your partner at the moment(from a previous post that I read). Lashing out and attacking people isn't the way to go. I know I made that mistake many, many, many times in my life. Emotional regulation and grounding might be better. Even ringing helplines like SuicideCallback line, or Life line etc might be better to get some actual human contact.

I am concerned after everything that you partner is still not there for you at this time, when you have a young child.
 
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I think this was more for my own healing process.
Then the letter is for therapy, not for public consumption.

Letting everything go, and damn their reaction. Because their actions and reaction no longer matters to me.
But they will because you are tied to these people for life now. You have a child in common with them, and it is never good to go down the escalating path with them. The shooting arrows at you is vile. Pathetic. But you have a child and you have to moderate your reactions in order to protect her in the long run.

Also a letter like that could be used in a divorce proceedings to make you look pretty bad. You have to think much more strategically now, you have a daughter.

I know it's hard to believe, but I've learned that people let you down, but God is always there so I need to lean on Him instead of my partner.
Yeah that doesn't work for me.

We are interconnected beings, we are social beings, if you can't get your needs with your partner then you need to get some more emotional contact and support outside your relationship.

God is not there, as I understand it to make up for a lack of love and care. If you see yourself as one of God's creatures - well I can't believe any God would want someone to put up with what you are putting up with.

So more social support is my suggestion.

I am not religious like you are religious, and I mean no offence. But I grew up religious.
 
Yes agree with everything @Ms Spock is writing. Go over it with your therapist. I've written and regretted. You are in a vulnerable position here. If your partner does side with his parents and you maybe split up they could use that letter to try and get custody. And you are admitting behaviour that maybe they can use to make you look unstable. I am not saying you are unstable just they will use anything.

Yes be very careful.
 
I haven't been able to read it all either - not because it's illegible, but because seven pages is beyond my concentration level at the moment. But also, even though I know you've put it here too be read, it felt a little intrusive doing so. Might just be me that, but it might help to summarise the letter and why you wrote it, for people as well.

I have read parts of it though and like others I am concerned for you. The tone of the bits I read felt overly apologetic on your part, considering the events you describe in your original post, and like you were looking for some kind of approval or something. I don't know, kind of like you are taking the blame for it all and asking them to excuse you and dismissing their part in as though it had no consequence - perhaps I'm misreading though, or perhaps that was your intention - if it is then I'm not sure I understand that.

Has your partner seen the letter? What does he think of it?

I am with others in suggesting you hold off on sending until you've talked it over with your therapist.
 
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Yes, I am.
:p That is really good.

Can you do things that are good for you? Things that nuture yourself? (Ha, ha, ha coming from me - I am such a ruminator!)

Don't be the one that your hubby uses so he doesn't have to deal with his family of origin stuff. In one post you wrote about triggering each other - well I know (roughly) what you went through with your family. You had to deal and stand up to them. Well he has to deal with and stand up to his parents, himself. He needs not to use you or your daughter as a shield. If you become the bad guy, then he gets to be the kid/sibling who is relieved that another child in the family is getting abused, and not him. Just a few thoughts.
 
And it is not an unwise thing for any woman to consider, in this day and age, with the statistics for divorce in this country. If I was to get divorced, what type of situation do I want to be sending my daughter into? Do I want to be on speaking/communication terms with my in laws? So I get to know what is going on? Or do I want to have burnt my bridges so I never/rarely speak to them again?

What type of ammunition do you want to give people to use against you in the future? That is something to consider.
 
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If you need to talk to someone, then I suggest ringing Life Line, as you can vent without any long term consequences. It can be a mixed bag, but if you get someone unhelpful, then you can thank them, say good bye and ring again.

It could be a way for you to get some immediate human contact and support.

It will or could protect you from backlash, and rubbish from years to come.

You don't want to be set up a situation where your daughter becomes the scapegoat of the poor relations between you and your in laws, as hard as it might be to imagine that you can have any relations with them at this time. Things are not good. But escalating is not the path to go down right now either.
 
People never cease to amaze me! (I mean the in laws.)

I am not one to put up with bs so I'd be out the door so fast.... Will write more later as I don't have time right now to read the scans.


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Your partner seems OVERLY connected with his family. Yes, family connections are important, but if one isn't willing to cut those apron strings with mommy and the rest of the bunch, then you're in for a lot of crap......as seen here! I think a bigger problem is your husband. Why? He is the one who is permitting.....ENCOURAGING this bad in-law behavior. Encouraging? Yes, encouraging, as not nipping it in the bud from the get go means that he is saying "hey, its ok for you to treat my wife like sh!t!" It is HIS responsibility to stand up to them as your partner and say "its not cool that you treat my partner this way, and it will not be tolerated." Instead he's being a big wimp and siding with them instead of his wife AND CHILD! Yes, I FULLY believe that if a man doesn't stand up for his partner, that he's also saying that he doesn't care so much for the child either......because who takes care of the child much of the time? Mommy! Not supporting the mother of a child indirectly means you're not supporting that child, either.

The biggest problem is with your husband. You can be the BESTEST of the best in terms of a partner, but if your husband continues to permit bad in-law behavior, there's not a damn thing you can do to change the situation.

If your husband isn't on board with you, the best option is to take the high road and cut off contact. Then again, I can't see being with a partner who doesn't support me. (Been there, the guy was such a wimp....kicked his arse to the curb....he was just SAD!)
 
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And you are admitting behaviour that maybe they can use to make you look unstable.
Mmmm....they'd have a hard time proving a few well worded but unkind fb comments made me unstable. But I understand your concern.
Well he has to deal with and stand up to his parents, himself.
He is. This issue is the fact that he doesn't do well with conflict, and the only family he has left is his brother, he cut off his mother for being a nasty bitch to me, and ignores his older brother for same reason. His father is dead, and the step mother is barely tolerated.

My biggest issue is that as a result of that, he's so scared of admitting their behavior because it threatens the link to the only last piece of family of origin he has left.

And so he minimizes, plays down and casts doubt so he doesn't have to deal with facing the cold hard facts.

And given most of us have childhood trauma, I think we can all understand how it feels to feel like you're losing your identity and last grip on family that has been through the abuse with him.
Or do I want to have burnt my bridges so I never/rarely speak to them again?
I did that very deliberately, and made sure it's not crossable. This letter doesn't rebuild the bridge, but it is also me being able to rise above and show my true colors despite their shit.
your daughter becomes the scapegoat of the poor relations between you and your in laws
Yes, this is something my OH doesn't want to admit, but can see. It is also clearly outlined in my letter to them.
"hey, its ok for you to treat my wife like sh!t!" It is HIS responsibility to stand up to them as your partner and say "its not cool that you treat my partner this way, and it will not be tolerated." Instead he's being a big wimp and siding with them instead of his wife AND CHILD!
Yes, and believe me, he has been given the absolute bluntest, pared down, cold hard facts about what he's done and the impact.

He doesn't do well with acknowledging that he is actually a big part of the problem, and now needs to get into gear himself. He's really struggling with this a fair bit.
I am concerned after everything that you partner is still not there for you at this time, when you have a young child.

Well I am very glad to report that I was informed this morning that his brother had requested my OHs assistance, despite knowing what the answer would be. And my OH turned him down flat, and told him after everything that happened there was no way, and he needed to stay at home to support me and bubs.

And I can't tell you how proud I am of him, finally hearing my hard work pay off.

So there's definitely progress, huge progress!

but it sounds like you are working on a vengeance scheme far more than forgiveness.
Erm....no. The opposite actually. But I do get it could sound like that!


I think the biggest thing about this letter is that regardless of their actions, I myself have thought ill of them, been unkind in my thoughts and talking about them with my OH, and I've really failed in my journey as a Christian.

I'm the reflection of the message I believe, and instead of reflecting it, I reflected the ugliest side possible.

And regardless of whether or not they agree, try to use it against me, be nasty or twist it, my responsibility to be my best does not change.

Also, if they look at me, and I'm only ever reflecting the ugliness, never the beauty, how am I then representing what I believe? I'm then feeding their misunderstanding of my beliefs and enabling the worst side of them.

A core philosophy in my life is that I wish to have done for me, and to assist in others, the best in myself and them. And I haven't done that, so regardless of their level of understanding, the buck stops with me.

Instead of reflecting back beauty when they show ugliness, I reflected the ugly by stooping to their level, instead of presenting an opportunity to show them what the best side of them could look like.

No one likes a mirror the reflects only the bad.


It is really, really easy to verbally bash and judge partners who to the outside, are unmitigated assholes based on the singular events posted in threads.

However it might also be worth realising that in this particular circumstance, my OH has never had an example of a stable relationship, how to interact, how to regulate, problem solve, be a father, respond empathetically and be supportive.

He's learning all of this on the fly, and like us PTSD sufferers, he's scared of losing his identity because abuse, neglect, nastiness and broken relationships are all he's ever known.

We all know how hard it is to let go of the damaging familiar aspects, and learn regulation, coping, self care, self esteem and respect.

Even though I'm dealing with a lot of crap, the man busts his arse to care for his daughter to 100% of his capacity, be there and educate and guide her. We both have a lot of old scars standing in the way of our communication and understanding, but we're getting there.

My psych understands why this is happening, and lays it out for me so I understand and therefore can accommodate his slow, gradual learning curve whilst placing boundaries, enforcing them, caring for myself and my family.

It's also really confronting, after having your boundaries trampled all your life, to be in close quarters with someone who needs them strictly enforced in order not to be hurt, and to also then have to take responsibility for hurting someone with something that is common and normal to you, because it's what you're used to.

She also asks me if he is the right man for me, and gives me things to chew over, allowing me to come to my own conclusions then supporting me when I get it wrong and then need to pick up the pieces and try again.

I give my partner time because when he does finally understand, he then changes.

I think it's also important to note that just because I am acknowledging that I haven't done the right thing, doesn't mean I'm going back to deal with them again, or tolerate their rubbish.

But this will also ease my OHs relationship with his brother, and allow his brother an insight into me without the input or filter of his partner.
 
You don't want to be set up a situation where your daughter becomes the scapegoat of the poor relations between you and your in laws, as hard as it might be to imagine that you can have any relations with them at this time. Things are not good. But escalating is not the path to go down right now either.
I so agree with this. This is how stuff runs in families. I am sorry but you say yourself:
just because I am acknowledging that I haven't done the right thing
I can see calmly asking people to leave if stuff gets toxic, stating to your husband that he is not meant to invite them over until there is a proper set of boundaries around this (and they get boundaries on your behaviour too), but honestly, your child(ren) will be looking to you as a role model. Remember - one day you will be the in-law. It may seem like a long way away, but it isn't.
 
You have some really good stuff in your post Bubs, and I haven't got time to address that now, but I wanted to say that I understand that need to be the one picked, over the person doing the wrong, or being the abuser. I have a deep unmet childhood need around that. When I was reading I was thinking it is like you are trying to get your hubby to continually choose you. I don't know how to do it yet, but could you also choose you? So that you don't need to get that need met by your partner so much. Just a few thoughts.
 
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