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Structural Dissociation?

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Just a couple of thoughts: how long ago did you take the last Tylenol? And are you with someone now? If it's been a while - I don't know, I'm guessing around eight hours - get your friend to feel your forehead. It's a starting point if you don't have a thermometer. Then do the same tomorrow before taking another.

And yes, continue on from the fear of causing someone harm by making a mistake. I believe you that that is your fear, but I'm almost certain there is more. When you get there, you'll know. This is coming from someone with very similar fears, so I'm being a bit insistent here, hope you don't mind!

The more you tell us about your symptoms, the more it does sound like this could stem from a physical problem. I'm glad you are going to see a doctor. Can it be sooner than Thursday?

I was going to say something else, and now it escapes me. That's my brain these days!
 
I am like a freaking 3 year old.
And yet I raised 5 children and sent them to school with proper clothes, fed them properly, and I actually trained them to go to bed on their own when they were tired. Scratching my head on this one. How the hell did I know for my kids and not for me? How did I observe something that I did not feel? I.am.a.freak.
 
Ah yes, thank you for jostling my memory. You may be high maintenance, but you have friends who have stuck with you through all this. There's a reason for that. You're worth it.

Edited to add: having said that, I don't mean to imply that anyone who doesn't have friends to support them is not worth it. Sigh. I'm having my own issues with coming across wrong.

How the hell did I know for my kids and not for me?
Hmm.... just be open to that question. You may find there really is a part of you that knows.

I.am.a.freak.
Well... I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say you are wonderful in your own unique way.
 
you have friends who have stuck with you through all this. There's a reason for that.
Yes, they are morons. lol. I am as obnoxious as I can be to them (for their own good) and they still won't go away. I left them to go to CA and they willed me back. Seriously, if I had the chance to walk away from me I would. They are idiots. But I love them anyway. Honestly, in honour to them, I have no idea, I could never express, what it has taken for them to stick by me. I would be dead 100 times over if it wasn't for them. I am in awe and feel very sorry for them all at the same time. :sorry::sorry::sorry::sorry::sorry:
 
That includes me.
Yes darlin, that it does. So despite all of your hard work to push it down, you are allowing the goodness to bubble back up. I am certain that our 'feel good' EP's are down there. Doesn't matter how young we were when it started.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I see a ton of things to like about you even when you feel the lovely parts are lost or don't exist. Image how it could be if you let them rise. I shudder to think! :cool: <-- Sun (so integrated!). See? I already know what you look like! :hug::hug:
 
@shimmerz, you're not a freak. It's often easier to deal with everything but inner turmoils.
As to a thread, glad the idea cheered you up, and yes to being interested in having one.
In relation to time & personalities specifically, it's one of the ways I figure we switched; my concept of time is way more fluid than the rest of my head. I'm just not really sure how to describe this; we're not very divided along emotions line, more tasks & who can handle what types of risks better & who enjoys what types of risks line.
 
I have something to say, and @shimmerz, I'd like you to stay calm and read the whole post and not just freak out at the beginning, okay? It turns out well in the end, I promise, so let your EPs know that.

It has to do with the fear you mentioned of saying something wrong that would touch on someone's core wounds. I'm having trouble quoting from two pages in one post here and know I also want to quote this page, so I'm paraphrasing rather than using the quote function.

So that (touching on core wounds) was exactly what happened with this other post:
I left them to go to CA and they willed me back. Seriously, if I had the chance to walk away from me I would. They are idiots. But I love them anyway. Honestly, in honour to them, I have no idea, I could never express, what it has taken for them to stick by me.

That set me reeling. But that could have happened whether you were grieving and suffering from pancreatitis or not, because there is no way you could have known. It was such an innocuous thing to say, where is the wound in that? There is a reason we're advised against trigger warnings. There is no way anyone can know everything that might trigger anybody.

You see, the time I got stuck in a semi-frozen state for two months as I wrote about in another thread was when I lost just such a connection as you describe having. I blame myself, and it is very fraught with a mixture of worthlessness and shame and for me. I feel like I contaminated him with how wounded I am. This was a man I was very close to a few years ago. It was a real soulmate connection. Not physical at all. He was committed to celibacy so that wasn't even an issue, fortunately. It was my PTSD that got in the way, though we didn't know at the time to call it that. He is very sensitive and absorbed my pain so much that it hurt him, no matter how hard he and I both tried not to let it. We kept looking for ways to get around the high maintenance issues and focus on other things, but it was too much for him in the end. With no warning at all, one day he told me he didn't want to talk to me anymore. He turned from the most loving, dedicated person in my life into an iceberg in the space of about five minutes. A few months later he tried to sabotage a work situation I was taking on because he was afraid being around my pain would damage my client (I have to interject in some indignation here, that I got the job anyway and did a pretty good job looking after this client, if I do say so myself). His change was like Jekyl and Hyde. I was thrown so hard into very early betrayal and abandonment trauma that I stayed pretty much frozen for two months, actually until this new client came along who needed me and I felt useful and wanted again. I feel on much shakier ground now in terms of trust than before that happened, and it wasn't any too solid to begin with.

(Breathe @shimmerz, this gets better, honest.)

So reading your post about what sounds like a group of incredible friends who have supported you through these past years, what that touched on was "I'm so flawed that I don't deserve people like that in my life."

So I went away and cried a bit. Felt the intensity of that along with a lot of other things including the betrayal of abuse and neglect by my family. The loneliness, the worthlessness, the helplessness, the hopelessness. Then I remembered I could use EFT to release it. I'm on a roll doing that. Then as I sat there tapping and the intensity eased a bit, I started thinking. "Wait a minute. This is pretty black and white thinking. Is there another truth in my life?" Pause. Yup. I have some good friends who have been there for me through thick and thin, some of them for over 20 years, so they know me at my best and at my worst and still haven't given up on me. I have one friend who encourages me to call her even in the middle of the night if I'm having a flashback or another crisis, and has never in all these years hinted that I was a burden. Another who doesn't really get my PTSD but still wants to hang out with me and play cards or have a meal or drive somewhere, and who is up for practical things like giving me rides because I don't have a car. Another who has done such a variety of things for and with me I don't know where to begin. How there are other less close friends who are supportive in their own way. How when I go into the local nursing home, people are glad to see me. How my cat is always glad to see me when I get home.

Then I thought how when I have had work parties, people came to them. I don't feel able for them lately, but if I did, people would be there. I thought about the time I couldn't be at home because of a verbally abusive roommate but also couldn't go to the shelter in a nearby town because I would have had to miss work, and my friends banded together to have me stay at one house after another in turn until I was able to go home again. And the list goes on.

And I thought about how I am wanted and supported here. I can really feel that, and it touches me and nourishes me deeply. I have no words for what that means to me.

The pain got less. And then I thought about structural dissociation theory and realized it isn't that all of me is fundamentally flawed and vile and worthless and will never be wanted anywhere and should run away and curl up in a cave, it's one part of me (or maybe more, but let's go with one for now) that believes that and feels it intensely, but another part of me knows it has value, is loved and wanted, and even has some goodness in there somewhere. I'm flipping back and forth between these so fast, first one, then the other, then the other...

And I think... just occasionally I catch a glimpse of a part of me that knows she is good and worthy, even if no one is reflecting that. Not often, but it exists.

So in the end, it was good. It was one more data entry in the database of new information I seem to be downloading these days. All in all, your mistake was not a mistake but what an improvisation teacher I once met called a "happy accident", and I thank you so very much for it.

Having said that, ironically I have the same fear of inadvertently causing harm. So much so that at times it spirals into something like OCD where I go to great lengths to make sure I haven't hurt anyone by accident. I keep editing this post to make sure it's perfect, so I do understand the problem and am wondering if I should delete it in the next five minutes I have left. Aack. :eek:Anyway, I feel the need to say something to anyone reading this who at this moment does not have a support system in their life and may be feeling that absence while reading this. What I would say is it's not your fault, and I feel your pain keenly. There are all kinds of reasons why a person may have or not have people in their lives they can lean on, some related to trauma, some not. What I know each one of you does have is this board. Let us be a support system for you. In time, it will get better for you. These words still don't seem adequate but they're the best I can come up with for now.
 
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In relation to time & personalities specifically, it's one of the ways I figure we switched; my concept of time is way more fluid than the rest of my head.
Kaia, can you expand on this a little more? Do you want to throw the ideas out around here and we can maybe help with where you want this to go in the thread? I would be really interested in your ideas. Pretty sure we could all put our heads together and help. Mine doesn't count for a full head though. :banghead: Just sayin.
 
How did I observe something that I did not feel?
Empathy. That is how I learned. I observed. I didn't realize how lack of sleep would affect them on a physiological level, but I knew that if I didn't make sure they got enough sleep. food, were cold, that I was setting them up for an unhappy experience. I wonder if the empathy (which was completely out of control for me until I learned to shield myself), was a coping mechanism because I didn't 'feel' myself. That the only way to feel for me was vicariously. Hmmmm. Need to toss this around a bit more.

Added: Which is perhaps why I completely crumbled when I could no longer live through others feelings (when the PTSD hit)....I had to have my own and I had no way of knowing how to do that. It has taken me 9-10 years to figure that one out. You guys may not know where I am going with this but I think I do,
 
how do people view time, how trauma effects/ed it, how our childhoods effect it, and what were we taught about time itself when we were wee.
In relation to time & personalities specifically, it's one of the ways I figure we switched; my concept of time is way more fluid than the rest of my head. I'm just not really sure how to describe this; we're not very divided along emotions line, more tasks & who can handle what types of risks better & who enjoys what types of risks line.
I would be really interested in your ideas.
Yes, please let's discuss this! I would be so interested in how others experience time overall and/or in parts etc. It is somehow closely connected with what I'm going through, and it's something I don't understand and would like to.

Here's an article that I think is interesting. About time perception shifting in emergencies. I've definitely experienced this many times. And it does raise the question for me of what happens to time perception with structural dissociation and for people who, because of PTSD, live in a sort of constant emergency of one sort or another...so much information coming in that it leads to shutdown? Link Removed
 
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