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Vent: Why Don't People Know When To Keep Their Mouths Shut?

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catjudo

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Just venting here, but I am so pissed off and I don't know how to just let it go.

My husband's family owns a beach condo that is vacant most of the time. We arrived home earlier this evening from spending a week there. His grandmother (who I love very much) flew in and spent the last couple of days there with us. She wanted to visit us (mostly our 3-year-old daughter). We had a lovely vacation including the time that we were spending with her.

That is until last night. The four of us went out to dinner together. The restaurant we went to isn't fancy but is very nice. It is a chain, but a VERY nice chain restaurant. On our way into the restaurant my daughter started to go into melt-down for some unknown reason. As we were seated it developed into a full-blown tantrum (disruptive to our own table but not others around us) so I took her back outside and to the car until she calmed down and was able to go back inside and use good restaurant manners (good 3-year-old manners, remember she is only 3). When we returned she kept a nice, quiet, inside voice. She ordered her drink and did not get upset when the restaurant did not have the apple juice that she wanted but easily and calmly made a second choice of drinking water instead. I gave her crayons and she wrote/drew until her dinner arrived. She ate well. As we were all finishing our meal but waiting to pay the check she started to grow a little bored. First she slipped under the table to get to the other side and sat on that booth between my husband and his grandmother. She was sitting quietly and being quite still. As we waited for DH's grandmother to be ready to leave my daughter decided to sit under the table to entertain herself. I realize that sitting under the table at dinner is not the ideal situation but she was being very still and quiet and not disturbing anyone in the restaurant. She wasn't even bothering those of us sitting at the table. We wouldn't even have known she was there without looking under the table and seeing her...she wasn't bumping into any of our legs or anything. She was silent. She was just watching the other people in the restaurant. This is the point where I choose to "pick my battles". We're in a very nice restaurant, she's not disturbing anyone, we've been there for quite some time and she's grown bored. I just let her sit under the table.

Holy Cow...did my husband's grandmother have a problem with that! She thought she was being clever and she asked what DD's grandfather (her son, my FIL) would think of how DD was behaving. I told her that FIL wouldn't have a problem with it. DH chimed in to say that DD wasn't disturbing anyone in the restaurant and even his father doesn't have a problem with it when DD does this. (Again, I know this isn't ideal and I want her to learn not to do it. But she's 3...can't be perfect all of the time (at this point DH's grandmother had been with us for almost 48 hours and this outing was the first time DD had misbehaved)...and I just have to pick my battles sometimes.) DH's grandmother went on to say just how awful it was. I told her that DD had been quite naughty when we first arrived and I took her outside and dealt with her poor behavior but she had come back inside to be well behaved through dinner and that she was growing bored. I told her I was choosing to pick my battles and she told me, "I told want to hear that crap. I'm not listening to that crap." I started to defend my position when she said that she would, "Slap the crap out of her." (not saying that she would do it, but that if she were in my position that is how she would handle it. she was telling me that's what I should do to my daughter.) My jaw almost hit the table. I told her no one was going to hit my daughter and that there are other ways to teach her. She tried saying something else but at that point I was so upset I didn't really hear anything else. I got the car keys from my husband, picked up my daughter and stood up. I leaned over the table toward her and hissed at her that if she thought slapping my daughter was the solution she should ask her grandson what that had accomplished for him. (I've wrote on here previously about my husband hitting my daughter almost a year ago and all the turmoil it has caused in our family ever since. She's fully aware of the situation.)

I take DD to the car and wait for DH and his grandmother to join us. I'm very upset and fighting back tears. She gets in the car and tries talking to me like nothing has happened and I'm not very talkative. I'm not ignoring her but only saying the minimum because I'm very upset with her. She then proceeds to tell me that I'm hurting HER feelings and that she doesn't appreciate it. I tell her that she's hurt my feelings. She tells me (and she's told me this many times before) what a wonderful job I'm doing with raising our daughter. I tell her obviously she doesn't really think so. She says well you've done a great job SO FAR, but the way she acted in there was not acceptable and something has to be done about it. I again tell her that when she had bad behavior I took her outside but that after that she was good for her age. I told her there are other ways to handle a situation without hitting. I reminded her that DD is only 3 and was acting age-appropriate. She just got upset with me because I still refused to agree with her point of view.

After we returned to the condo she decided to turn on the tears so then I'm patting her on the back and telling her that everything is okay and not to be upset. This really pisses me off, too, because I still think she was wrong for saying what she did but now I'm backing down and worrying about whether I've hurt this 84-year-old woman that I do love very much. Before we left this morning, she did the crying thing again and I had to console her (she's the one that had bad behavior, not me, but I'm apologizing to her and telling her everything is okay).

What would possess someone to think it is okay to tell a mother she should "slap the crap" out of her child? I do understand that this 84-year-old woman was raised in a different era and that in her time "children were to be seen and not heard". We do not parent that way. I understand she most likely has different expectations of how a child should behave but how does she justify making those kinds of comments to me?

Can you tell that inwardly I am still seething over this incident? I want to just let it go but don't know how.
 
My therapist says I need to change the way I think so she'd be really mad if she read this: people don't keep their mouths shut because they're stupid, self-centered, and small-minded. From the asshole that yells at a flight attendent to the guy at McDonalds's that throws a fit over his fries being cold to the grandmother that thinks slapping a 3 yr old is building character. And don't even get me started on the inability to deal with change. My grandma is 92, my father 62. They are soooo in their own little world I don't even try anymore. My suggestion....love her like you do and let go of the rest. You did a great job in the situation of sticking up for yourself, setting boundaries and walking away when you needed to. If you separate the shit...it's all hers NOT yours. Just as you could never imagine hitting your child, she can't imagine a world where people dont. I'm not justifying her actions/thoughts/opinion at all...I'm just saying this is why we're a different generation. We're trying to break the cycle that was dealt us.
 
I think you handled the situation (both with your daughter and the grandmother) very well.
 
I can relate to this situation. It reminds me of my MIL and how she talked to me for a number of years about my daughters. It finally came to a stop when, after years of telling my husband how she spoke to me (she was smart enough to never do it around my husband-he knew because I told him) about what kind of mother I am, he heard it for himself and told her to get off my back.

This is the same woman that told me to never apologize to my children, even if I was wrong, because it takes me out of the position of power. She also told me that she'd teach me ways to beat my children and not leave any marks. Such a lovely person.

I worked with children for many years and your three year old behaving for as long as she did is extraordinary. Taking her to the car for a moment to calm down was a great idea. We would have been taken into the restaurant bathroom and given 'something to cry about' when I was a kid.

As difficult as it will be to do, setting up a boundry for this issue is really the only way to stop this from happening again. Your DH's grandmother now sees that if she manipulates your feelings from anger to guilt, that she can get out of a situation she's put herself into. When things are quiet and calm, I'd talk to her and tell her that how she raised her children is now how you're raising your child and her opinons on that subject are unwelcome. Ang that her trying to guilt you into coming to 'her side' or that you've hurt her feelings-when in reality she hurt yours-won't be tolerated either. I've had to do that with my mother and MIL-it's not easy. But if we don't tell people the lines not to cross, then they'll trample all over them.

BTW-I think you did great standing your ground with her and putting your child's welfare over the traditional 'beat their asses' mentality.

Lisa
 
Thanks everyone...

I haven't had a chance to talk to anyone IRL about this incident yet and I guess I just needed to hear that I wasn't completely over reacting to the situation. I was even starting to doubt my perspective and thinking that maybe letting my daughter sit under the table was a much bigger deal than I think it is. Mostly I was worried that, once again, I had made a "mountain out of a molehill". Thanks for listening and thanks for your support.
 
I don't think you're overreacting. And it sounds like you're doing a great job with your daughter.
 
Grandma needs a time out

I was raised by the "I'll give you something to cry and scream about" parenting style.

You did a great job at the restaurant and back at the condo. You may not think so, but your daughter soaked up every word you and Grandma said to each other over her behavior. She may not have understood it on an adult level, but she knew the difference between how you handle her behavior and how Grandma would do it, in general.

You sound like a great negotiator and diplomat. Grandma cried and I betcha she won't try that again. I agree that you should talk to her some time and tell her that her suggestions on problem-solving should be kept to herself. Your daughter is yours, and you do not want her to grow up thinking that violence is the best way to solve problems or control behavior. You proved by taking DD to the car that talking and distracting her with coloring time was successful in changing DD's behavior.

There's nothing wrong with sitting under the table. She was quiet, and that's very good for a 3 yo to accomplish for a long time. Hell, my husband can't do that sometimes. Self control is not something a three year old can do well.

Grandma, on the other hand, needs to hear that she needs to learn some self control, and that her style of child raising is not going to work on your daughter. I hope you don't leave your daughter with this woman alone for any length of time. Grandma got her feelings hurt? Because you disagreed with her? Newsflash Grandma, you are not always right, you are not a princess, and I will tell you when you are wrong!

Arguing does not mean you don't love her any more, it means you set limits on what Grandma can say and do regarding DD. That's healthy.
 
I hope you don't leave your daughter with this woman alone for any length of time.

I've never actually left DD alone with her. She's wanted me to but the reason I haven't is really more because physically she doesn't get around all that great anymore and DD is SO active. Also, we live in different states so we're only around each other for visits; not many opportunities to leave DD with her.

The ironic thing, to me, is that I've never worried about DD's safety or well-being around any of DH's family. His family is so "Leave it to Beaver"-ish (or at least it's always seemed that way to me). I'm the one with the dysfunctional family and I'm forever paranoid about exposing DD to my family.

Anyway, thanks again to everyone for their support.

ETA: I am feeling good about the fact that I set a clear boundary when Grandma was out of line but almost feel like I negated it by backing down and comforting her when she resorted to crying.
 
To answer the initial question:
50% think they know everything.
50% are too stupid to think before they open their mouths.

My personal opinion of the whole situation is biased (bear with me here). When I was the little one and it was dinner out and the big people were all just talking about things way over my head, I slipped under the table and watched the workd from there. It served two purposes:
First, I didn't (rudely) yawn at the table and show how disinterested I was and Second, I was out of the way, out of sight and not bothering anyone. At least, that was my parents' take on it. More than once, I curled up and fell asleep under the table. More than twice, my dad slipped me a little something from his pocket to amuse myself with. He always seemed to carry interesting little gadgets in his pocket when we went out. My mother often tucked similar items in her purse for the same reason. Yes, I was easily amused.

On your DH's grandmother, it's a shame nobody had the gonads to take her out to the car to give her a time-out for talking out of turn. That's what she needed and I don't give a flip how old she is. Maybe you should hire a babysitter to watch her at home the next time the adults (and your daughter) go out to eat.
 
Catjudo said: "ETA: I am feeling good about the fact that I set a clear boundary when Grandma was out of line but almost feel like I negated it by backing down and comforting her when she resorted to crying."


I would say that you didn't negate your clear boundary.
I would say that you did the right thing in both instances because you showed compassion for your daughter by taking her out to the car, and then you showed compassion again when granny lost composure. I would not consider comforting her to be backing down. If you apologized to her for yelling at her in the restaurant, that was not negating anything or backing down in my opinion. I think of it like this: you apologized for snapping at her in public (the delivery) but not for the actual words.
 
Back when I was married....
Our kids are ours and no one elses. If they don't like how we raise them, then they can kiss MY ass. Our kids are ours, and it's not up for debate.


If that was my MIL that pulled that stunt, I'd have kicked her our of the condo and the car. She has two feet, she can walk.
 
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