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Can't Shut Off My Thoughts

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catjudo

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Recently I had to tell my daughter not to tell anyone, especially at school, about something. It made me feel sick to my stomach, like I was doing something wrong...it made me feel dirty and disgusting.

Daughter's father has some mental health issues himself. During a video chat between the two of them, he made a comment that was upsetting to her. It was a comment that should have never been said to a child, especially one her age. It was a statement that while I know his intentions were good and that he would never actually do the thing that he said (he was telling her what he would do if, somewhere off in the future, a boyfriend ever hurt her...it was inappropriately graphic and vicious but I also know it's not something he would ever do). But daughter was too young to hear his description, not old enough to understand it was just something he was saying, not something he would ever do.

She was upset and came to me. I comforted and reassured her. I let her know that her father would never hurt any of her friends and pointed out to her how far away her dad lives and that he doesn't know where any of her friends live, etc. I explained her dad's intentions and how sometimes daddies will say how they will hurt anyone who hurts their little girl but it doesn't really mean they would ever hurt someone and that her dad just made a bad choice of how to describe it. She was comforted and okay after we talked but because she had been worried about her friends at school, one boy in particular who she really likes...I felt it necessary to explain to her that while at school she probably shouldn't repeat what he dad said. On her own she understood that others wouldn't know that her dad wouldn't really hurt anyone and they could get upset and cause problems. I also was trying to protect her because I can't imagine kids would want to be friends with her if they thought they might need to be afraid of her dad. She was okay with it.

I've not been okay. While I was asking her not to tell anyone I felt so disgusting. All I could do was think about all the times that I was told not to tell about things. If I'm having to tell my daughter not to tell something, it feels wrong.

I've talked to my psychiatrist and he understood why asking my daughter to keep this secret is difficult for me to deal with he tried to assure me that I had made the right choice in telling her not to tell anyone at school. He tried to tell me that the difference was I was telling her not to tell about something that someone had said but had virtually no chance of every occurring. As a child, I was forced to keep secrets about things that had been done to me.

But I can't stop thinking about asking her to keep the secret and how bad and disgusting it made me feel. I still feel like I did something bad. I still feel dirty. It has stirred up a lot of old memories for me and I can't turn them off. I want to turn off the old memories and the yucky feelings I have now.
 
Hi catjudo, I can understand where your fears are coming from, and I would like to reassure you as a teacher. I sometimes have had to tell students not to talk to other students about heavy topics such as rape. That's because I teach little ones. I explain that it's something they can talk with their friends about when they are in high school. I tell them that it is important for them to talk to a trusted adult about those things though, and if they feel comfortable talking with me, I'm always available.

Listen to your gut feeling (we've been incorrectly taught not to listen to it). When you talk to your daughter, tell her that it is always OK to talk with a trusted adult about these things. When we are teaching the children about sexual abuse, we always tell them to tell an adult.
 
If you have a dialogue open with the school, you could discuss it with them ahead of time to help her. Some schools are rather reactionary but I find the guidance staff normally will make every effort to assist the child.
 
There is no guidance staff at her school...it's a small, non-traditional private school. But my daughter is fine at this point. She felt comfortable coming to me to talk about it. She and I talked about it, I explained it, answered her questions and reassured her (then told her to not tell anyone).

I'm the one who's not okay. Being in a position of telling my daughter to keep this secret triggered all sorts of memories and bad feelings.
 
You didn't - I just like to apologize. :devilish:

Hopefully, that made you smile. And it seems like you have a really good, healthy relationship with your daughter.

Also - have you had the opportunity to chat with the dad about this so that he knows what he caused?
 
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He knew our daughter was upset and so he sent me an email explaining what he said to her. It was obvious from the email that he saw nothing wrong with what he said. I've decided not to say something to him about this. This was a difficult decision and took me about a week to come to the decision and be okay with it. But this isn't the first time he has had a conversation with her that really wasn't age appropriate. I talked with him about it abut four months ago and it ended up turning into a pretty ugly situation between us. He is a very smart man, but is severely lacking in common sense and social skills. He really has no idea that the things he says aren't okay. I could say something to him but history has shown it won't really make a difference. Talking with my psychiatrist, he helped me realize that the only thing I can do is continue to make sure my daughter knows she can come to me if her dad says something that upsets her.
 
Hi Catjudo,

I understand how you feel. I was also told as a child to keep secrets, and since starting therapy I decided I never want secrets again in my life. I have been a long time on/off smoker. That was a secret. I decided it was my choice so I will now be open about it. There has also been other stupid stuff that I have now shared with selective people, simply so I don't have to hold secrets.

However I hear your dilemma. You did right by your daughter, but that decision is hurting you. I think you have to trust the advice of your psychiatrist and consider the reasoning behind secrets.

You also might like to consider times when secrets are good ( I find it hard even to write that but know it is true). Think about birthday presents, special days out or a favourite visitor coming to stay as a surprize for the child.We were taught that secrets are bad - but they do have their place in life, when used appropriately.
 
I think you are worrying to much about what would happen if she did tell. Lets just say she did. Then what? What could happen that was that bad? I don't think anything would happen.

You asking her not to tell has amplified the situation.

Don't feel bad because I think 99% of people would have done the same. Maybe explain to your daughter why you asked her to not talk about it. Tell her that its a grown up thing.

Your child loves you so she knows that you are only going to ask her to do something if it is for a good reason.
 
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I think you are worrying to much about what would happen if she did tell.
Lets just say she did. Then what? What could happen that was that bad?
I don't think anything would happen.
In all fairness, you don't know what her father said. It was the sort of thing that if she had told people who do not know her father (such as kids and adults at her school) it would leave them quite shaken and scared. It is the sort of thing that if someone didn't know her father and know that there was no real danger of him actually doing those actions they might call the police to make a report. It was the sort of thing that the police would need to go to her father to follow up and make sure there was no real danger or intent. It is the sort of thing that could make other kids scared to be her friend. It is the sort of thing that if it scared the other kids in her class enough, could jeopardize my daughter's placement at her school...it is a private school, they can ask us to leave just because they don't think she's a good fit or because her being there is upsetting or disruptive to other students.

And I know that all of that sounds like catastrophizing, but that's a big part of why I went to my psychiatrist about it in the first place. I went to him to make sure I wasn't over reacting or making a bigger deal of this than was necessary. My psychiatrist agreed that my reaction and thinking were right on target. This was not just about the sadistic thing he said he would do but the specific, detailed, graphic way in which he described it.

I think you have to trust the advice of your psychiatrist and consider the reasoning behind secrets.

You also might like to consider times when secrets are good ( I find it hard even to write that but know it is true). Think about birthday presents, special days out or a favourite visitor coming to stay as a surprize for the child.We were taught that secrets are bad - but they do have their place in life, when used appropriately.
I know you're right but this just feels different. I don't really have a problem with happy, short-term secrets...gifts, surprises, etc. But here was a situation where an adult (her father, no less) did something to my daughter (ok, said something rather than did but it's difficult to feel the distinction) and I told her she shouldn't tell anyone what he said. And while I still think it was the right thing to do for her given the circumstances, doing so made me feel dirty and disgusting. Now old childhood memories keep playing through my head...the kind of memories that make me feel dirty and disgusting and ashamed...but I can't shut it all back down and turn the memories off again. These are memories that I intentionally don't think about but now that they've been brought back up I can't shut them off again. I just want to shut down the memories.
 
Hi there again. sorry, I think that I may have worded my message to you in a way that came across as ignorant. Obviously you know what was said so therefor you know the extent of the damage that can be caused. All I am trying to extend to you is maybe the reason for your intense worry and guilt is because you may have amplified the situation.

Its just a suggestion, I do it all of the time which is why I put it forward to you as a possible option.
That's not to say that what happened wasn't bad.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
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