Cptsd As An Attachment Disorder

[Deleted member 5760]

Anthony -

So sometimes I have a sense of humour, sometimes I'm serious, sometimes I'm pissed off. So I've been through a lot. It doesn't mean you can just diagnose me right here. You don't know me at all. I don't try to diagnose you. I'm not a doctor.

And what REALLY fires me up is when you basically pick on people. Why? Because it's not nice, ok? And it's in my nature to go 'sorry, that is NOT ok'. Stop picking on people because to be perfectly ~honest~ with you all it makes me think is that you're pretty damn insecure about yourself!

You rant and rave about 'take responsibility' - well in the REAL world - you'd be accountable too!

 

[Innordinate]

so BPD covers both.
Acroynyms are sickly misleading.
lame

 

[Deleted member 5760]

Ok - firstly, my mistake in that I went 'BPD' = BiPolar Disorder.... because I'm not familiar with borderline as I have NOT been diagnosed with it.

I cleared that error of mine up a few messages back nicolette

 

[anthony]

Of course I'm adopting a defensive stance.

I mean, DUH?

Point in question Jen... I am not attacking you, and I am clearly stating that I am not even trying to attack you. What you feel and me asking questions or providing my opinion, is not an attack. This is my exact point that I am making when I say erradic posting behaviour which does demonstrate more than just PTSD due to your complex trauma. You are accusing me of making you cry, you are pulling out some doctor comment thing that I am not sure exactly has to do with any of this, being adults having a conversation, and you immediately jump to conclusions, attack / defend.

Are you sure you want to continue stating there is nothing further than just PTSD in your case? Do you feel a little outside of the normal spectrum around others, ie. your ideology does not sync with society? All the doctrine says, and seem to continually backup what it says, complex trauma means complex emotions, which equates to complex emotional core issues.

Jen... this is purely a conversation, I am not attacking you "clearly stating" so please don't run off on such an inaccurate claim.

 

[anthony]

so BPD covers both.
Acroynyms are sickly misleading.
lame

I think Nicolette is confused... Bipolar is BD, or usually just Bipolar, Borderline Personality Disorder is BPD. Just checked in the DSM.

To be official, they are actually classified as Bipolar I Disorder or Bipolar II Disorder. I believe the typical abbreviation is just Bipolar though.

 

[Nicolette]

Oops... my bad... sorry... very confused

 

[becvan]

From wikipedida on Borderline:
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines borderline personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1][14]

A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3. Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4. Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
5. Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7. Chronic feelings of emptiness
8. Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms

Complex and Borderline overlap, particuallarly seen with #2, 6, 8 and 9. This is actually what Anthony is referring to. Complex has overlapping symptoms with Borderline Personality Disorder. It doesn't mean we have BPD or should have a seperate diagnosis (which frankly would be ridiculious) just that we share those symptoms. I have these symptoms and I do not have BPD. I fall very far over into the whole dissassoction side however I still have these symptoms. This is a huge part of Complex. If you have Complex you have these symptoms in some varying degree otherwise you would not be listed as complex.

Does that help clarify anything?

bec

 

[blynn895]

I think we're all in the same boat and should stick together and support each other, not label and attack, might be better, no?

 

[anthony]

Possibly... but I am not trying to attack or such, just being honest. Jen denies any dissociative / personality disorder or aspects, yet claims complex trauma in the same instance. Her posting history here dictates very much something in the spectrum of either dissociating often, whilst posting, or personality disorder. I was trained years ago in specifics to look for with those with personality disorders by 3 different physicians, because they can play real havoc across online communities... There are people here with them, but they follow simple rules to not post if they feel for a second they will impact their being here, as websites often can't cater personality disorders well... they can be extremely destructive via posting erratically, extremely mood oriented, changes in their stance from one post to another, same subject even and more.

Anyone who complex in nature of trauma, and I mean years of abuse, especially childhood, have built a dissociative / personality approach to deal with the trauma and daily life. This is what makes the definition of trauma being complex in the first instance. You cannot be half of one or the other... it doesn't exist.

 

[Jade-]

Anyone who complex in nature of trauma, and I mean years of abuse, especially childhood, have built a dissociative / personality approach to deal with the trauma and daily life.

So....the problems I experience are due to the abuse and not because I'm just 'crazy'.....

That's actually a relief to realize. I kinda thought maybe I was just born with mental problems since I have always had them.

 

[anthony]

No, those with complex trauma aren't "crazy"... never have been. You develop these dissociative states / personality traits as a protective mechanism, for an easy term. This is what defines complex trauma. People have this with trauma... however, people with long term trauma, these safety mechanisms become part of you, ie. if you are sexually abused x times per week or months, then each time your brain implements these measures. Our brain then learns the behaviour as instinctual, or if put in front of a physician, a diagnosable disorder.

Just because you may fit say BPD right now, with work, you can absolutely relearn new behaviours and these new one's become your new instinctual behaviour. Now you no longer fit BPD, as an example, even though you still have PTSD... even that, you can get to a state of remission and/or not affecting you as badly each day... still there, but not symptomatically distressing your day to day life if managed well.

Nobody with complex trauma is crazy... even though that is how you may display to others, yourself... you are not crazy, and you correct it all, and its all normal due to what you have been through.

 

[Innordinate]

Jade I'm pretty sure I was born with mental problems too.
I'm actually almost arrogant about it. (Not trying to start a war) but of the screwed up people we're the most screwed up.
Ok no that's pretty much arrogance.