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As a language geek and patriot I also love the wording of the Declaration of Independence:



The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton

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Okay, one of my best friends is a British citizen and I adore her (though she's actually of Scottish and Welsh descent), but these words in our Declaration always make my heart sing.

Eeks, JMH, I just now realized this is all happening on your Trump thread! I'm sorry!!

I will take any further distractions to another thread.
 
I can't, I just can't. I don't know what to do. I am morally opposed to Hillary. I feel too strongly a...
Like many people this election, I think neither candidate is someone I really want in office. Unlike most people, I have long term exposure to a narcissist and a sociopath. The sociopath is the smarter choice to put in charge. ( if he or she is on your side or working for the same side as yourself. ). The ego of a narcissist keeps him from the self control it takes to calmly stay one step ahead of an adversary. Trumps blustering poorly articulated come backs directed at people he thinks have insulted him, are more than just material for people making fun of him, it's a worrisome display of a totally unsophisticated narcissistic alter ego. He should have been able to cover his Achilles heel better than that. A sociopath is longer sighted and can accept concessions and failures along the path to their ultimate goal, as long as nothing is preventing the goal. They dont get as bothered about appearances, the ego is attached to the big wins. A narcissists ego is attached to looking and feeling powerful or admirable all the time and they cant tolerate any lapse in that without retaliating to the offender. Of course I could be wrong about attaching those labels here, but its been interesting for me to watch what I identify as typical behaviors of both with these two.
 
@coco9 I appreciate what you are saying, but having been on the receiving end of a...
It's the same for me. What concerns me about these two types as president is that an inexperienced narcissist is going to be easily manipulated and driven by his ego in foreign policies and global interests, including war. This could be a catastrophe that changes the status of the U S permanently worldwide. I'm no fan of him around here either, but his obnoxious or unrealistic proposals for the US dont scare as much as trying to picture him negotiating with foreign leaders. Clinton knows what she's doing , she's shrewd and experienced. I dont like all her ideas for the States either, but if you look at the issues globally, and possible changes and power structures shifting, then I'm more comfortable trusting her sociopathic traits, than his immature and overblown ego. A lesser of two evils, is still an evil, though.
 
Umm, yeah, just to get back to the thrust of this thread: I think Trump is a cretinous narc/psychopath. I think all he cares about is himself. At least I've seen Hillary cry in the face of others' misfortunes. I can relate to that. I cannot relate to caring about a golf course in Scotland vis the Brexit vote. Especially since he insists he is very wealthy. I don't believe it. I'm waiting for those tax docs.
 
A Yuuuge investment on foreign soil is always an excellent way to hide assets. You appear to lack liquid funds for creditors and the tax man because you're constantly investing it in the business to keep it afloat. It also takes forever and forensic accountants to find where all the trails of money arrive from and go to. Two different financial laws are being applied and its gets ' conveniently convoluted' . It doesnt matter if the country has higher taxes either, its still a great way to hide income, and then ditch your debt. My ex used to always have a couple business's going on another continent for the same reason.
 
I saw the part of the convention where Chris Christie whipped the crowd into a frenzy, and had everyone shouting "guilty!, guilty!, guilty!" regarding Hillary Clinton yesterday. Chris Christie is a very trump-esque party hack.

It is an ugly and bad sign. He started off with "let's have some fun tonight" and touted that he is a former federal prosecutor, and this was a way to hold Clinton accountable. Then he laid out his "case" against Clinton.

It ended with the angry chanting of their "conviction" of Clinton.

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We the people do not convict via mass political party mob. This crowd included senators and congressional elected officials at the state and federal level who all joined in. I am no Hillary supporter, and it doesn't matter. That was wrong. The party of Trump, formerly known as the GOP, has acted in a morally corrupt manner again and again throughout this whole convention.

And there are still 2 more days of this.
 
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Donald Trump is the official Republican nominee. You may not like him, or agree with him, but one thing I will say: All of his kids talk about his with obvious love and admirations. His kids are all well-adjusted, have strong work ethics, and seem to be very decent people, and that says a lot for Mr. Trump.
 
I am super glad for your input and perspective @RussH

Trump's children supporting him isn't very persuasive to me that Trump would make a good president. Even abused children will say amazing things about their abusive parents.

Plus, Trump wasn't actually involved with much of the effort to raise his kids.

From: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/05/donald-trump-kids-normal
"How did a reality-television star, now the presumptive G.O.P. nominee, raise such normal kids? On some level, he did it by outsourcing the job. Trump and his first wife, Ivana, left their young children in the care of two Irish nannies and, for a time, their maternal grandparents, before sending the kids off to boarding school."

The article goes on to explain that Trump wasn't around for their early years and the primary caregivers in their lives never included Donald Trump.

His kids do idolize him quite a bit, and they have had a huge role in his angry and violent campaign. Trump... well, he has been clear again and again that he wants to have sex with his daughter.

But let's say for arguments sake, Trump is a decent father and is responsible for his kids turning out ok.

The way Trump has run this convention has been filled with event after event of corruption and strong arming, threatening, and silencing everyday Americans in a process that he has already won. There was no threat to him but he has done his best to silence all efforts for fairness. He has whipped people into angry mobs and picked leaders now trying to convict people by mob.

It is that Trump, not his kids, who will be in the White House if he wins in the general election.

It is good to have your input Russ because I know that there are many people who have been impressed by Trump's kids. There are many more people who think the praises of a politician's family members is a persuasive sign of how good the politician will be in office.
 
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