News Donald Trump's Popularity To Date

[Deleted member 12723]

I think that the republicans dropped the ball with McCain and Palin. They could have had the distinction of having the first woman vp.

So really to me the argument for Clinton is moot.

I do not want to see her as President at all so it is going to be a bumpy ride until election day in my opinion.

 

[Justmehere]

Inside the ranks of the GOP, there is chaos right now. I'm cautious of what the media is saying about the GOP, but I have first hand verification it is like a verbal civil war within the GOP. There are GOP leaders calling for people to campaign against every GOP candidate that has supported Trump. It's a little intense...

These are the final straws for some:
1.) Trump attacking the father of a dead solider and then not giving the purple heart back to another solider
2.) the Pence-Priebus-Ryan-Trump fall out

Apparently the GOP chair, Preibus made a deal with Trump to smooth over any bumps at the convention if Trump agreed to endorse and back GOP candidates. Preibus and Paul Ryan are good friends and Trump is playing games by refusing to endorse Ryan in the same way Ryan dragged his feet to endorse Trump. It's a game of revenge.

Preibus is not so secretly losing his cool over Trump breaking several deals, but I can't verify what all the deals were.

Then Pence endorsed Ryan. Trump refuses.

It's like a horribly real soap opera! Or wait, a reality TV show. Which is why I think the news media and the public is a little hooked on it right now. (Myself included!)

I think the party is having a civil war, but I'm not sure it will end with Trump losing. This isn't over. We still have 3 months, 97 days to go. So much can happen in this time.

 

[Justmehere]

Wow, the leaders of the GOP are ALL OVER THE PLACE right now. Gingrich has now called Trump "more unacceptable" than Clinton.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/newt-says-trump-is-unacceptable/article/2003648 The GOP party leaders are turning on Trump, in a very public way. I don't think this has ever gotten this bad in a general election before.

What is happening here?

Trump has been consistent in how he is and how he leads the WHOLE time. Why are they all turning on him now? I don't think his recent gaffs are any better or worse than previous gaffs.

I don't know what it is, but for even Gingrich and Pence to publicly split with Trump... and to do it now? These folks are not people who just always say it like it is in an impulsive moment. They are doing this for reasons that have been measured and reasoned out. I don't know why they are saying this now - when they didn't do this before.

For those considering voting for Trump, what is it like to see this happening? I'm getting the feedback from other Trump supporters they feel EVEN MORE betrayed by the GOP than before. This could all backfire for Gingrich, et all. I think they are missing the fact that many Trump supporters are supporting Trump because they don't like the establishment. I could see Trump spinning this as why he is the anti-establishment candidate, and it being a good thing that the GOP party leaders are imploding a bit right now.

One thing that I have learned in the past few months is that whatever happens, stay calm, cool, and collected and to not "take the bait" of the hysteria the media wants stir up to sell ads and change votes. There are actually lot of people right now trying to stir up the general public. These leaders on both sides are in a bit of a mess right now, but we the people don't have to be. We can stay steady and continue to handle this with respect for each other. Ok, well we can try. Thanks all for the interesting and respectful discourse about all of this.

 

[hodge]

I've had the impression that Trump continuing to attack the Gold Star family has been a huge thing for a lot of people, including many Republicans who have spoken out against it. That's a big line even the most inexperienced politician knows not to cross, and he crossed it. Okay, right, part of his appeal is that he's not a politician. Point is, most of us normal human beings would never even think of doing that. It's atrocious.

I think it's starting to really alarm more people to see how easily he is insulted, how utterly incapable he is of turning the other cheek and letting even the most minor things go. All one has to do is listen to the news to see he is a vengeful and petty man. I do not want him anywhere near control of our nuclear weapons. He is too unstable. If he can't control himself now, is there any reason to think he suddenly would if he got elected?

 

[EveHarrington]

It seems that there was a mystical unicorn version of Donald Trump that GOP leaders were hoping would emerge------the so called "presidential" Trump-------but the truth is that he has indeed been incredibly consistent in his behavior. "Unicorn Trump" doesn't exist and prominent members of the GOP are slowly pulling away as they see this-------and IMHO the Khan incident was a catalyst.

I mean people have been wondering where the "too much" line is, and it appears to be insulting a Gold Star mother. Veterans groups are fully opposing Trumps insults toward the family-----veterans groups with members on both sides of the political aisle. This issue isn't going to die. IMHO it's despicable to be insulting a mother who has endured the greatest of losses------for her country, no less.

I also think he's looking ahead to damage control if/when he loses the general election------by planting the seeds that the election process is corrupt. This way the narcissist never admits to any personal failures. "I would have won if the system wasn't corrupt!" ------Corrupt like what, you say? RUSSIA! I guess it's only ok when the corruption goes your way. SMH.

There is a poll that shows him down by 10 right now in national polls and down by more in certain districts in swing states where winning those specific districts is crucial to carrying the state. More polls will be out at the end of the week.

 

[Justmehere]

There is a poll that shows him down by 10 right now in national polls and down by more in certain districts in swing states where winning those specific districts is crucial to carrying the state. More polls will be out at the end of the week.

I read that this is being called POLLMAGEDON within the GOP ranks.

Trump has now been court ordered to face trial for fraud and racketeering charges. Geez. It just keeps coming... Yet in the middle of all of this, Trump has raised 80 million dollars in July.

This is 100% speculation, not based on facts but guesses, but some believe that the GOP is pulling away from Trump because he might drop out, and GOP leaders know it. Will Trump drop out? His own campaign is denying it very strongly and it's just not like Trump to quit...

But it is very interesting that so many are speculating that he will, and what could happen if he does. Are we really watching the end of his rise?

Some of this isn't new. People have speculated for awhile that Trump would drop out as soon as his polls started to face steady decline: http://gawker.com/how-is-donald-trump-going-to-quit-1782312998

And another viewpoint that says Trump will not dropout: http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/08/03/sorry-gop-youre-getting-rid-trump-november/

 

[hodge]

Wow, he's going to face charges?!? Time to go watch Rachel for the latest!

 

[Deleted member 12723]

@Justmehere I respectfully agree to disagree with you.

The GOP has long abandoned the people of the US in my opinion and has nothing but remain Washington insiders that are lifers as far as their political career goes in my opinion and I see the reason for the supporters of Trump now.

No special interest pulls his strings and he is not a puppet unlike so many Washington insiders and lifers.

I believe that there should be term limits on politicians getting so many benefits and money from special interest groups silently pulling their strings in my opinion.

The more I surf on the net gathering information, I do believe that Trump has a good chance in getting elected but no will know about the great undecided voters in November.

I have seen a lot of speculation here and perhaps I am guilty as well. We all have our biases to face and deal with or not.

I believe that the Republicans and Democrats are mostly interested in lining their own pockets with taxpayers money.

I said before that Washington needs to be shaken awake and I do not see this really happening but there is no denying that Trump is popular and not as stupid as they have been made out to be.

 

[scout86]

look at the sad state our country was put in by making history 8 yrs ago!

I've heard that said, but I don't think I've ever heard the specifics of how things are worse now than they were 8 years ago. Want to expand on that a little?

8 years ago, the economy was in the tank, unemployment was high, the stock market was in more turmoil that usual, people were losing their homes in big numbers...... A lot of that, IMO, was the result of the influence of the "trickle down economics" folks, and the forces in Washington that support benefits to big business as opposed to regular people. No matter what he SAYS, since Trump is basically big business personified, I have a hard time believing Trump will work for the benefit of regular people rather than corporations. Anyway, in my part of the world, things are better than they were 8 years ago, even if they aren't perfect.

 

[scout86]

It seems that there was a mystical unicorn version of Donald Trump that GOP leaders were hoping would emerge------the so called "presidential" Trump----

I have a feeling they really didn't get what he actually IS. It's kind of hard to wrap your mind around the real nature of his kind of narcissism unless you've seen it. Now that they're seeing it.....

I think they've set themselves up for this. I think a lot of the power running the party (not necessarily the general membership) has been using fear to subtly manipulate for years. (There's a great book on this called "Dog Whistle Politics".) They had their membership primed to fear immigrants etc, then Trump came along and out played them at their own game. They assumed they could get him on board and now they're finding out they're dealing with a whole different kind of critter.

I think the Democrats lie too. Obviously, since we now have copies of emails showing the primaries were actually kind of "rigged".

And, I suspect that most people who want to run for president score kind of high on the narc/psychopath scale. That wouldn't surprise me, considering about that it takes to do the job. I don't know that having a personality disorder, or some other mental health issue, should necessarily disqualify you from running for president (or anything else). It depends on how it affects you and how you function in the world. The problem with Trump's brand of narcissism is he tends towards wildly out of control temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way. He really BELIEVES he should always get his way and seems to find it infuriating when he doesn't. If he was a bit more tactical, and I thought he had an actual plan or vision beyond "wanting to win", I might be willing to vote of for him. But I don't think he has a plan beyond wanting to win and deeply believing he can fix stuff just by wanting it fixed.

The best example I can think of in recent years is Richard Nixon. He wasn't a horribly bad president. He may have been a horribly bad person. He was definitely some kind of nuts. But, he was capable of running the country, in his own, not very ethical way. He's not the kind of person I'd WANT running the country, but at least I don't think he was the type to get us into WWIII just because he was PO'd. He was also, though, kind of dangerous at home. He was willing and ready to use things like the FBI and the IRS to go after people he was mad at. And THEY were willing to do his bidding. (A separate problem, but a problem) I think Clinton is kind of like Nixon. Not more first choice, someone you need to watch, but probably not going to run us completely off the rails. I don't see many original ideas, I don't see much potential to make the world a really better place, but I see the potential for the country to survive her term. Trump? Anything could happen.

BTW, they didn't expect Lincoln to win either. So, vote your conscious, vote for someone you'd actually like to see win. (If you can find such a person.) :D

 

[lostforgottensoul]

I've heard that said, but I don't think I've ever heard the specifics of how things are worse now than they were 8 years ago. Want to expand on that a little?

Well to start, ObamaCare didnt exist which didnt work as my unemployed step mother tried to sign up for it ans the monthly cost was insane as was the deductiable. It was actually cheaper to not have insurence than to pay that.

He promised a lot of stuff he didnt follow through with.

Unemployment hasnt gotten any better, if not worse, like he promised.

Higher cost of living & no/very low raises raises gotten worse.

I do believe the economy is worse but i dont know for a fact, i dont what the stock market.

Miltary depleated, refusal to fight Isis on the ground where we must go as we cant defeat them from the air thus now MUCH more international and domestic terrorism; shootings, hostage taking, etc.

This is just off the top of my head so i dont have sources but back 8 years ago we werent in a good spot but today we are in a worse and very sad state.

In any rate, my point of the orginal post was to stop voting just to make history, as that person could bring this country all the way down. Hypothetical as im not speaking about Clinton, just in general, its, in my opinion, the worse way to vote. Now if that person's beliefs align with yours and they just happen to make history to be President, thats different.

ETA: Due to ObamaCare, my group insurence changed completely and went way up, covering less. And yes i know it was due to ObamaCare.

 

[Justmehere]

Many voters are low information voters. Many only know a few things, rarely accurate, about the candidates. For some, all they really know is they heard a good sound bite and they want xyz (minorty, female, etc) kind of president in office.

This is part of why Trump has gotten as far as he has - he's good at sound bites.

This election season is producing a lot more high information voters, because we hear about Trump and Clinton every day. Every single day. I think fewer people will vote for Clinton just because she is a woman. Plus, it's not like the woman card has ever really worked to get elected to the Oval Office before.