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Emdr Experience - Did Sufferer

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There's another thing I've been meaning to say - I talked to my T about the 'three phases of recover...

@BlueOrange
Once again really grateful you posted this. Only started reading about SD yesterday.

Could an example for phase 1-surviving for the present moment, be healthy management/soothing of current flashbacks?

This is a big concern of mine. I don't feel I'm doing to well with that at all. I am worried about this and starting EMDR.
 
Thank you Blueorange. I have often wondered what it was like to do this. I'm still very scared to try it m...

@katz did you ask the therapist why he/she thought it wouldn't work and didn't understand the answer? Or didn't ask?

I've read the effectiveness of EMDR varies according to whether the trauma was caused by one or two discrete incidents or prolonged developmental stuff. From what I've read with the latter the method can work but is more unpredictable and rates of efficiency are less.
I'm just wondering if the cause if your trauma were the reason for the therapist saying that? (not that I need to know causes, it was more basis for the T's comment) Although, I am learning there are many other preparatory factors at play too.
 
@Mal Content
Thank you the the link.
I had a look at that site recently. I have some familarity with the theory through therapists, reading etc.
Interested in hearing people's actual experience of the treatment.
 
I meant no offense.

I accept this. I'm glad that we found a way to de-escalate. I did respond in a threatening way, and your response to my threat was well within what I'd consider reasonable. The threat was poor form on my part, I apologize for it.

I accept that your experience was a pure positive experience. Positive experiences may well be very common. My EMDR broke down the barriers between my parts, and exposed me to a part of myself that is actively suicidal. I'd call that a risk, and it's a risk that is linked to the therapy. I put 'DID sufferer' in the subject line because I'm aware that my pathology is more complex than straight PTSD, and I suspect that people with straight PTSD probably would have a more straightforward (and positive) experience.

I took offence because the phrasing of your reply (the one that said 'EMDR is always safe') was a negation of my experience. You didn't say "This is my experience, it was really positive." I interpreted what you said as "You're an idiot, and your therapist is an idiot, and you claim that there's dangers, but you're making it all up." I accept that it's not the message you intended to send.

Anything that has the power to heal also has the power to harm. Knowledge of anatomy is crucial to the practice of medicine. Meanwhile, combat anatomy charts are annotated with 'break here' and 'stab here'. Dissociation is a defence mechanism. When you turn that mechanism off, you have to be ready to handle the reason why you dissociated in the first place.
 
When in doubt, go to the source.

From that page:

Clients with multiple traumas and/or complex histories of childhood abuse, neglect, and poor attachment may require more extensive therapy, including substantial preparatory work in phase two of EMDR.

In phase 2, you're not actually doing EMDR, you're building up coping mechanisms so that when you access the stress, you're ready to handle it. (The EMDR procedure is used in phases 3-6.) This statement is consistent with my statement 'You need to be able to trust your therapist and yourself to be able to handle what comes up."

So, for clarity, let's note that my post relates to 'the EMDR procedure', which is used partway through 'EMDR therapy'. I suspect that in most cases when people talk about EMDR on this site, they're talking about the procedure, not about 'a strategy that incorporates the procedure'.
 
Could an example for phase 1-surviving for the present moment, be healthy management/soothing of current flashbacks?

I think so. Let me expand a little, and talk about 'ready for EMDR' and 'not ready for EMDR' sort of situations. Because you don't need to be perfect to be able to start.

In terms of the relationship with the therapist:
Do you feel safe if your therapist learns that you feel upset?
Do you feel safe disagreeing with them, and saying things that risk disapproval?
When distressed, is your therapist's voice something that you consider comforting?
If your therapist asked you to do something that was uncomfortable to imagine, would you be willing to try it and see if it works?

If your answer to those is a comfortable 'yes', then you have the relationship with the therapist that you need. If your answer is a strong 'no', then you're definitely not ready. If in between, it might be useful to explore the question with your therapist.

In terms of trigger coping:
While triggered, are you able to receive good advice from a trusted source?
While triggered, are you able to refrain from acting on dangerous impulses?

I got triggered yesterday by a forum post in this thread. I was upset about it, angry for hours, and angry about it the next day. I said mean things and wasn't at my best. But I didn't do any lasting harm to anyone (including myself). I was able to say to myself "I'm not at my best right now, so I'll avoid doing things that I'll regret later." And I'm ready for EMDR.

If you are in a position to get value out of breaking down barriers (if your 'good days' are good), then it's OK if your trigger-coping is imperfect. If, on the other hand, you are afraid that you'll immediately get physically violent if triggered, then that fear needs to be addressed. If you experience frightening suicidal ideation or impulses to self-harm (if you don't feel able to restrain those things), then you need to have safety mechanisms in place to prevent those outcomes from taking place.

In terms of getting value out of breaking down barriers:
At your best, are you able to receive kindness?
At your best, are you able to offer kindness to others?
At your best, are you able to acknowledge other perspectives without feeling threatened?

EMDR breaks down the barriers between the 'apparently normal part(s)' (ANP) and the 'emotional part(s)' (EP). If your best ANP doesn't have a reservoir of kindness that it can access, and an ability to acknowledge other perspectives, then you may be better off building it up in isolation before connecting it to the bits that are really suffering.

In terms of me (a long history of childhood neglect with occasional abuse, followed by a complex adult history), I'm damned good at my best. But a number of things got put on hold when I had conversations with my T about violent impulses, and we had a couple of conversations about whether I needed to wear a straitjacket (I never did wear a straitjacket, but I sure found those conversations humiliating).

You'll have some idea of what you're going to find, what you're going to connect to. It's OK to be frightened of it. Your therapist will be there and will try to help you get through it. The question is whether you think that the two of you will be able to work together to endure making the connection, and to get something positive out of it. The questions above are hopefully helpful in making that assessment.
 
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