Lets Create A Ptsd Diagnosis

[Sideways]

Not sure that you can "accidentally" watch that kind of stuff frequently and for a long period...we're not talking about the Disney Channel!!!

But I like non-voluntary - works for me.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Holes??????

I dont see any.

I like involuntary, something about the whole thing feels right.

involuntary would be a better term then 'forced' as thats not like a medical or legal term really, i dont think.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

against people,

That i would take out, nothing to replace it, if you take it out you have:

(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to live recordings of death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

I think that would be worsed better?

I can go over to the other one to explain why if you want, to not go off topic on this one...if it would make more sense to explain

 

[LF1]

(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to live recordings of death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence against people, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

The "live recordings" bit seems a bit messy to me. Does that mean the person has to have been watching the videos live, i.e., not on delay? I don't think that's what is meant. But then if not, aren't all recordings live - they're a video of what was happening at that moment? Maybe the "live recording" line was added to get around video games and movies etc but the actual wording doesn't seem quite right to me. I would probably take the word 'live' out and make the second clause match the first with "actual or immediate threat" added in.

(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to recordings of actual or immediate threat of: death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence against people, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

Edit: or maybe even:

(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to recordings of people facing actual or immediate threat of: death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

Edit2: I'd also be looking at changing "recordings" to "recording" or "non-fictional media" - though there may be holes in that wording too. My immediate take on the word "recordings" is that it's related to videos, rather than images, though that may be my misunderstanding. I'm thinking along the lines of investigators of child porn and all the images they would have to look through etc.

 

[Sideways]

The "live recordings" bit seems a bit messy to me. Does that mean the person has to have been watching the...

If it were worded that way I'd reduce it to just "actual death...etc".

Personally I'm leaning towards including "against people". Viewing this stuff against animals would be awful, yes, but it seems to fall a long way short of the threshold set by A1 (IMHO).

 

[anthony]

A. An event in which one of the following were present:
(1) Direct exposure (via experiencing or witnessing) to actual or immediate threat of: death, catastrophic injury, or sexual violence.
(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to live recordings of death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence against people, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

For many pets are more attachment people than humans

So you think PTSD should be open to those who have to watch animals be slaughtered by media? Animals are not part of A1, but you want to make them open for inclusion to A2?

Why would animals be open to be a cause of PTSD period? You would be putting animal acts against rape, torture, war, child abuse, so forth. There are other diagnoses other than PTSD... why should animals suddenly part of PTSD?

What about perceived threats of violence or death

@joeylittle answered this, yet I also see another aspect to this. Really... we're removing here say from the criterion. Otherwise perceived has broad boundaries beyond actual or imminent and direct to you.

A(1) - I think maybe "actual and immediate"..?

I think this would limit things too much, or to and.

I was just sitting here going through different scenarios for actual and immediate, and depending on which way I looked at it, I could interchange them, as anything immediately threatening is actually threatening.

Is there a purpose for "immediate" at all? You either experience or witness actual threat of....

But non-voluntary is definitely more accurate to what we are trying to say.

Merriam Webster - NON simply means "not" -- the counter to any definition. So yes, non-voluntary OR

The "live recordings" bit seems a bit messy to me. Does that mean the person has to have been watching the videos live, i.e., not on delay?

That isn't how I read it, however, you did just pose a counter argument. This is exactly what we need in order to define and close as many holes as possible.

 

[Sideways]

Actual: in my mind, this excludes potential threats, that is, there must be some 'reality' to the threat
Immediate: this excludes threats of future action, and in combination with 'actual', it excludes potential future threats

Maybe using both is overkill, but together it's pretty explicit about the nature of the threat...

 

[Sideways]

Sorry..."actual and immediate" I'm interpreting as "this is very real, and it's happening right now..."

 

[anthony]

Hmmm.... ok, using Merriam Webster, I do think we need to knuckle this stuff down.

Full Definition of actual
1 : obsolete : active
2a : existing in act and not merely potentially
2b : existing in fact or reality <actual and imagined conditions>
2c : not false or apparent <actual costs>
3 : existing or occurring at the time <caught in the actual commission of a crime>

Full Definition of active
1 : characterized by action rather than by contemplation or speculation <an active life>
2 : producing or involving action or movement
3 a of a verb form or voice : asserting that the person or thing represented by the grammatical subject performs the action represented by the verb <hits in “he hits the ball” is active>
3b : expressing action as distinct from mere existence or state
4 : quick in physical movement : lively
5 : marked by vigorous activity : busy <the stock market was active>
6 : requiring vigorous action or exertion <active sports>
7 : having practical operation or results : effective <an active law>
8a : disposed to action : energetic <took an active interest>
8b : engaged in an action or activity <an active club member>
8c of a volcano : currently erupting or likely to erupt — compare dormant 2a, extinct 1b
8d : characterized by emission of large amounts of electromagnetic energy <an active galactic nucleus>
9 : engaged in full-time service especially in the armed forces <active duty>
10 : marked by present operation, transaction, movement, or use <an active account>
11 a : capable of acting or reacting : reacting readily <active nitrogen> <active ingredients>
11b : tending to progress or to cause degeneration <active tuberculosis>
11c of an electronic circuit element : capable of controlling voltages or currents
11d (1) : requiring the expenditure of energy <active calcium ion uptake> (2) : functioning by the emission of radiant energy or sound <radar is an active sensor>
12 : still eligible to win the pot in poker
13 : moving down the line : visiting in the set —used of couples in contredanses or square dances

Full Definition of immediate
1a : acting or being without the intervention of another object, cause, or agency : direct <the immediate cause of death>
1b : present to the mind independently of other states or factors <immediate awareness>
1c : involving or derived from a single premise <an immediate inference>
2 : being next in line or relation <the immediate family>
3a : existing without intervening space or substance <brought into immediate contact>
3b : being near at hand <the immediate neighborhood>
4a : occurring, acting, or accomplished without loss or interval of time : instant <an immediate need>
4b (1) : near to or related to the present <the immediate past> (2) : of or relating to the here and now : current <too busy with immediate concerns to worry about the future>
5 : directly touching or concerning a person or thing <the child's immediate world is the classroom>

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As we stood when last discussed:

A. An event in which one of the following were present:
(1) Direct exposure (via experiencing or witnessing) to actual or immediate threat of: death, catastrophic injury, or sexual violence.
(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to live recordings of death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence against people, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

Attempting to factor points since:

A. An event in which one of the following were present:
(1) Direct exposure (via experiencing or witnessing) to actual and/or immediate threat of: death, catastrophic injury, or sexual violence.
(2) Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to live recordings of death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence against people, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes.

and/or -- and -- or ?????

'live recording' -- is this ambiguous? Looking at the full dictionary version for recording > record:

Full Definition of record
transitive verb
1a (1) : to set down in writing : furnish written evidence of (2) : to deposit an authentic official copy of <record a deed>
1b : to state for or as if for the record <voted in favor but recorded certain reservations>
1c (1) : to register permanently by mechanical means <earthquake shocks recorded by a seismograph> (2) : indicate, read <the thermometer recorded 90°>
2 : to give evidence of
3 : to cause (as sound, visual images, or data) to be registered on something (as a disc or magnetic tape) in reproducible form
intransitive verb
: to record something

I tend to think that this is correct as is, when viewing definition of record (which applies to recording) and defines an item on disc or tape, something reproduced.

??????????? So close...

 

[Sideways]

The only query I've got is whether the word 'live' adds value. Clarifying that the context of the recordings must be of actual events might be better phrased as "to recordings of actual death...etc"

But now I'm second-guessing myself, and the fact is the definition you've proposed, as is, sounds pretty darn good to me.

 

[anthony]

I wonder whether a slight change enhances, or degrades: "Direct and frequent exposure, over a prolonged period, to recordings of actual death, catastrophic injury or sexual violence against people, where that exposure is involuntary or for work purposes."

'nonfictional' is defined as: restricted to or based on fact. Is that, or something similar, better to ascertain specificity?

 

[Sideways]

Nonfictional v's Actual: I think either word would achieve the same outcome. I'm leaning towards 'actual' because it reflects the 'realness' that the same word is achieving in A1. But that's just mee thinking it reads smoother, which is nothing more than personal opinion. If it's down to personal preference on that level, I'd say it's gotta be your call.