I never had a relationship with my father that was meaningful beyond around 12-14 years old (around my disclosure of abuse and the full surfacing of all my symptoms)
that makes sense of that you would not have had the reletionship after this time. he did not respond appropriately so it would not be reasonable to expect you to maintain any posetive emotions to him. and in fact the expectation
should be that your feelings of him are negetive and filled with anger.
he did some thing wrong. he did some thing that no parent
should do. his child came to him and told him that they were being abused. and he did not act. that is wrong! and he is bad because of that. but i am just telling you things you know, ha. but you know. some times it is good to hear it again from the outside.
i have diffeculties with that. i
know my parents were bad but then i go "well, what if... what if my mom is actually okay? what if
i'm bad?!" and my therepist is like, "stop being insane, that is pants on head crazy."
He did wound me terribly with the things he said and the choices he made after “learning” (god what a f*cking LIAR)
i just wanted to say that i under stood exactly what you were conveying here. we had many of these "open secrets" in my family as well.
denial and suppressien were my mother's favored tactics. and the unfortunete thing is that i inherited the tendency. along with what ever drugs she was taking. (lorazepam/diazepam most likely.) (i inherited that tendency, too.
love you, mom.)
and there is this plauseble deniability that they provide us. i remember many conversetions with my mother (who i was closest with as well) that she had said, (and i apolegize that this is going off on a tangent of my own, about my self-)
you're making up dreams. this isn't happening. and i said,
it is happening! he was
doing it to her! in front of me! it was literally happening
in front of my face. in front of her face. and she is like why are you talking about this? this is a dream.
like there is clearly something f*cking wrong with this woman. in a deep, deep way. and she would say the same things even after the trial. after he went to
prison for it.
she'd be like, "he's in there because you didn't keep your mouth shut." and i'm like
he's in there because they found terabytes of f*cking csam and illegal weapons all over the f*cking house, mom!
christ. what a headache. all this to say i understand
implicitly what that is like, the
headache of plaseble deniability. especially when they particepate in the same kind of sinister abuse to you. the "oh, i really didn't know. i didn't know
how bad it was."
yes you did. it was literally
happening in front of you. when you're a parent-and this is about you not me well sort of both. i'm a parent so i'm talking about my own perceptions as well. i
know what my f*cking kid is doing
almost all the time. and like there
are gaps where things could happen.
but when you're a
parent you
learn the signs of abuse. you just do, you just know, because people
are actually a lot smarter and more aware than we want to really admit. how many times have you heard the neighborhood pedo got busted, how many people were surprised? no one was surprised,
because everybody f*cking knew. it's like that.
so when you add that up with all the other things your specific parents did(n't do) you end up coming up with a pattern of complicity. which is time after time after time of not only they "didn't know" but they
literally ignored information that was being told to them by their kid.
that is a
huge f*cking breach. it is. and i'm really sorry that happened to you because it shouldn't have. it just shouldn't have f*cking happened. and i know you don't, like,
need validation on the internet from some
random guy but just in case it helps any? you are
entirely justified to never,
ever, speak to these people again.
ever.
I have been separated from my family because of my brother for twelve years. I volunteered to work every holiday. I gave non-answers to why I couldn’t go home.
this is the part that's almost, in my opinion, the hardest. it's becoming so
seperate from other people in this intrinsic way. not having a family not only being an orphan, but
having a family that is that f*cked up
in the first place. it sets you apart. you make excuses. you
lie. you make up bullshit reasons.
for the most part i've stopped doing that. i just refuse to comment. i
used to lie. i'd be like "oh yeah, my parents are still in canada, they have a little property up there..." like no they f*cking weren't. lmao, you know.
and it still sets you apart from people. but f*ck it, people are
different anyway. this is
your thing. other people have their own weird shit. but it does
suck, so much, to be part of this, like, "tribe" of people with no real home except
maybe what ever we've managed to scrape together ourselves.
and that
is what is distinct. my husband's family are f*cked up and i hate all of them tremendously, but they
will help him if he needs it. if one of them gets cancer and suddenly dies, my husband will care and it will effect him a lot. there is a huge familiel like connection there, they're all south american so there's a big generational thing there.
no matter how abusive they were, they still
weren't like my family was. because my family was insane, and they're just like moderately awful. so it's hard to, you have to almost measure it in this weird way like what
warrants all of this and shit-my husband is like oh well they hit me and bullied me but i still love them.
i'm like well f*ck them! lmao you know. so it's different, too. he tolerates a lot of shit he
shouldn't, in my opinion, but maybe that's my own whatever cultural attetudes i've absorbed that i don't f*cking understand the difference. but they will still help him. they'll still
try they're still
people who are able to be in society and be
somewhat prosocial.
and he has that, and so he doesn't understand what it is like
not to have that. and not because my mom or my extended family are all dead, but because i've chosen to make them dead. this is
permanent. it is as permanent as death. maybe i will talk to my mom again one day.
maybe there'll be a f*cking apocalypse and it'll just be me and graham and my mom, like, on
earth, alone. (jesus christ isn't that grim.) but what she
is to me, is dead. and that is something that you just can't f*cking explain to people who haven't been through it. and it sucks.
hugs if you except them. this is hard shit to get through.