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New fears or phobias, not specific to trauma

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siniang

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Hi,

I'm curious, has any of you developed new phobias after your trauma/PTSD became symptomatic that are not trauma-related?

For me there are quite a few. I never liked spiders, but it's gotten really really bad over the years to the point that I hallucinate about them at night, actually jerking me up from sleep.

I definitely became more afraid of flying. Drowning would be another one. I'm not exactly afraid of heights, but I'm less at ease, which is funny, because I grew up rock climbing and hiking in alpine settings etc. I'm certainly not as confident as I used to be. And I developed a good hypochondria of various - deadly - diseases.

I guess - except for the spiders - most of my phobias really deal with early, unexpected/unnatural death (which I think is actual a core belief thing with PTSD? I read it somewhere - will address it with T if I have time in the next session).
 
Pre-existing fears getting exacerbated? I’d guess that both your GAD and ptsd are feeding that, and it makes perfect sense to me. As I get more emotionally drained everything gets harder to cope with.

The Stress Cup analogy might help explain it:)
 
Pre-existing fears getting exacerbated?

That's the thing, those (except the spiders) weren't pre-existing fears. I had absolutely no fear of flying, being on boats/rough seas, heights etc growing up. I actually enjoyed those. I'm still not exactly afraid of heights per se, but more anxious in uneven terrains where one misstep of >me< would mean disaster.

The first two (flying, boating/waves) I'd used to attribute to me not being in control and having to completely trust someone else. The second is not trusting myself and mistakes meaning huge consequences - that is actually a major core belief for me because of my trauma. Hmmm.

And of course it gets harder the fuller the stress cup is, but those fears really developed as new. But you probably right as in being more emotionally drained causing that more, normal, things become harder.

Phobias? Nope.
Fears? Certainly.

Genuine question, what's the difference? :)
 
I do not know about phobias but I definitely stopped rock-climbing during my deep dissociation days. Same for watching psychological thriller movies and drinking wine (or any alcohol). I simply could not do any of these and feel safe or OK or even like myself. My anxiety was just too high.
 
Genuine question, what's the difference
Phobias are clinically significant - they’re something a doctor is actually going to diagnose you with (Specific Phobias are an anxiety disorder). As a rule of thumb, a fear becomes a phobia when it’s interfering with function.

Example: a fear of spiders might cause a severe reaction when you see a spider. It becomes a phobia when you start living off take out because you saw a spider in your kitchen once and can now literally no longer go in your kitchen.

Language is important. “I have a fear of flying” is very real, and means I might prepare some coping strategies before taking a necessary flight. “I have a phobia of flying” means I’m more likely to avoid flying, even when that causes problems.

Language is super important because it can create cognitive distortions in our mind. See “Overgeneralising” for example, or “Maximising/Minimising”.

This is something you also did in your thread about how to tell hubby about your diagnosis. You made a comment “Why does everyone assume I don’t want to tell him”. But that statement simply isn’t true. Some of us gave really considered, empathetic, thoughtful, sincere suggestions about how you might tell hubby (like me).

On top of offending people like me (because I’m included in the over-generalised “everyone”), you haven’t left your brain space to acknowledge “this isn’t a case of ‘everyone’.

Fear or phobia is an important distinction. Over-generalising or maximising issues leaves your brain with very little room to move, and difficulty seeing the reality of the situation. A ‘fear’ of flying is incredibly common - not insignificant when you have to fly somewhere, but also not limiting the prospect of getting on a plane if that’s necessary:)
 
A phobia rises to the level of pathological ...is an anxiety disorder in and of itself.

As an example?

Someone who is deeply afraid/terrified of spiders put in a room with a spider may shriek, move to the opposite side of the room, keep their eye on the spider and adjust their position in the room accordingly. (There’s actually a psych test for fear & phobias that measures how many meters someone is willing to put between themselves and the object of their fear. Normal level fears include everything from as far away as possible, all the way up to touching / squishing distance... as long as it doesn’t jump towards them, and then they’re likely to fear spike and leap backwards, attempt to get as far away as possible, etc.). There’s often a lot of self-talk, conditioning in this process as people self-moderate attempt to get their fear levels down / manageable. Spike settle spike settle kind of thing.

Someone with a phobia of spiders not only won’t tolerate being in the room with one at all (and if locked in, will beat the door bloody attempting to get out of the room; even if the spider is totally harmless they will cause serious physical harm to themselves attempting to escape), but ALSO spends a significant period of time worrying about spiders, attempting to avoid them before coming across them (to the degree of not going outside, checking themselves obsessively in mirrors in case a spider might have crawled up their back, not going to schools or taking jobs with green spaces, not turning the lights out because then they wouldn’t be able to see the spiders coming for them, not having appliances within 12inches of the wall so there’s nowhere dark for them to nest/hide, knowing all the local spider predators and avoiding them also, because if they’re there? There’s probably a spider nearby, won’t sleep under blankets or if they do not only pulls the bed apart before going to sleep (okay, no spiders) and also sets an alarm to wake up and check the blankets for spiders during the night at regular intervals, etc., etc., etc. << All of which = significant impairment. Also, instead of the spike/settle/spike/settle thing people who are afraid do? It’s more similar to the spike just being the start of a panic attack. Spike-BLAST OFF!!!

Fear of spiders? Totally normal. And very common.
Phobia of spiders? Deblilitating, life affecting, and fairly rare.

As a rule of thumb?

- If you’re afraid of the thing when you see it? Or when there’s a strong likelihood of it being present? It’s a fear.
- If you’re afraid of it all of the time, it’s a phobia.

Rule of thumb only because there are a lot of things which can cause fears to be present waking, eating, sleeping, washing your hair, going to work, having sex, making a sandwich, paying bills, IE 24/7/365. Trauma, for example, can both cause phobias AND phobia-LIKE reactions (But sort the trauma and the fear goes away, because it’s a fear not a phobia). OCD, GAD, HFA, and several other disorders, similar. Instead of the phobia causing the 24/7 thinking, it’s the O-part of the OCD, or it’s the anxiety picking a target, or the fixation, etc. It’s a big part of why accurate diagnosis is so important, disorders share symptoms. But what’s driving the symptom, and what treats it? Are very different things in different disorders.

(To jump examples for a second, I could do it with spiders, but my skin is crawling already) 5 people can all be certain of someone coming through the door and assaulting them if they don’t keepmit locked at all times, and check the locks a bazillion times a day.

PTSD - Someone has come through the unlocked door and assaulted them
OCD - Unless they check the locks someone will (but never has) / magical thinking.
Delusional Disorder - The aliens already did (No. No they didn’t)
Specific Phobia - :eek: (no rational -or irrational- thought about why, it’s just unadulterated pure fear)
HFA - Someone they trust told them that we lock doors to keep the bad people out, once, and they took it as literal fact of what WILL happen if the door isn’t locked and so they’re simply following what they perceive to be the logical course of action.
Etc.

ETA @Sideways... do you share my fear of spiders or was this just a coincidence? (I almost chose crocodiles as my example, as I’m skeered shitless of them, too, but figured spiders was more relatable.)
 
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Thank you very much for the explanation! I wasn't aware of this distinction (which might have been a language barrier thing). I think I was talking about fear, rather than phobias, then. I think I will send you mods and "contact us" to change thread title and my initial post to reflect that?

@Sideways My apologies!!! It was not my intention to offend anyone and I truely valued all advice in said thread. I was just really frustrated yesterday night. Of course it wasn't "everyone" and I never meant to imply that, because I did read and acknowledge all the helpful posts. I guess I was trying to be a little polemic. I will try to choose my wording more carefully, actually always am trying to do that, but sometimes things get carried away ??
 
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do you share my fear of spiders or was this just a coincidence?
Hehe, I’ve had to work through some of my spider issues in therapy! Its Huntsman spiders specifically. Most other spiders I just don’t like and won’t go near. Huntsman spiders on the other hand - I have a lot of safety behaviours geared towards avoiding them. The kitchen example? Been there, done that, had some exposure therapy!!!
 
Huntsman spiders on the other hand

YES!!!

I can get myself to get close to spiders with enough (mental) preparation - though I do prefer not to (bio labs were a nightmare, despite the specimen being dead). I actually don't mind netting spiders that just stay in their nets in the corner high above or outside the window (they're helpful, they catch mosquitos), though I still don't want any nets near me (as a short field-biologist, having to go through high gras with spiders in nets at head-height? torture!). But non-netting spiders, particularly those that are big and/or jumpy (huntsmen and wolfspiders among them) - NO BUENO! I just don't want any spider NEAR me.

Again, I never particularly liked spiders, but that fear has gotten really bad. It's also a shadow/movement and personal space thing (startle reflex). I still expect to crash a car one of these days because a spider startled me.

I'm curious for those of you who don't like spiders/fear them, is it only spiders? For me it's also crabs (and only crabs, not, e.g. lobsters). I do attribute it to a round body shape with a multitude of fast-moving legs.
 
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