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Non-human "relationships"

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Chava

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I have a hard time trusting people (shocker) and when it feels especially difficult I notice crappy things like cigarettes feel like my best friend or only source of comfort or support I can really rely on. I've done this with alcohol and an eating disorder too. In recent years I've been bitching about chronic pain. While it seems I have no control over that, it showed up after I gave up these other vices and lately I've been a little willing to admit that it's a sort of friend too. The only way I can make sense of having such f*cked up "friends" is that these are things that help me feel in control of some indescribable overwhelm. They subdue my feelings. It's like the sort of self-regulation my body never learned within an early human relationship I suppose and I don't know how to get on a normal track like other people, where I have some sort of faith in others and also some other sort of internally working chill-out system.

I've been working with a therapist that I've really wanted to trust and mostly feel very good about...also the form of therapy seems like a good fit. New insurance won't cover it and my therapist hasn't really answered questions about continuance or trying to go less but pay on my own. I think she's sick of me or thinks I can't get any more better (call it projection but it's all I can do to make sense of things). So it feels like another attempt at normalizing and trusting that is just going to arbitrarily stop and disappear because I'm just a piece of shit like always.

I have had a few good friends, but they were alcoholics who randomly disappeared, and a really good and kind friend who simply hated his job and had to move. I remind myself of these friendships sometimes. But even with those friends, I never told them when I was struggling or knew how to ask for support. We just talked about shared interests and I started isolating or making excuses to avoid friends when I wasn't doing well. But even with these friendships, they are so few and far between that I don't dare risk relationships anymore. And what would make me think that after all these years and decades that I can somehow fundamentally change? Something is broken and I can't fix it. I'm trying to be more okay on my own (not working but I'm not totally giving up either, which was my old pattern...overdose).

I don't want to start therapy over. I felt like I could actually share how terrible I felt with my therapist and try to ask for help sometimes. And now that will just end. I don't know what to do. I will see someone about pain, get a few tips I hope, and quit within a few sessions because I really want to crawl deep back into my shell. I feel so stupid for starting therapy and taking myself seriously. I sound like a whiny baby right now but I mean it. I feel like a fool. I'm pulling a curtain over myself. It feels safer to rely on f*cked up connections to myself, like my pain. It somehow protects me when nothing else does. I quit drinking and I quit starving, so that's good. I go for walks and do things that help the pain not get worse. But I have to admit that it feels like an internally-working friend...someone who knows about me, even understands how I experience life, is somewhat consistent and steady these days, subdues bigger feelings I can't manage, and cares to protect me. It makes things hard but in a messed up way, it also makes daily life possible for now.

I don't post in "relationships" much because I don't have any that feel real, but hope this is fine here. I do feel these things like cigarettes, anorexia, pain as being like relationships or friends. I know that's not real either but I'm trying to maintain some awareness of how it goes. I'm stressed out and feel like I'm trapped again. Any connection to myself helps me keep a "self". I know we need our own "self" to function in relationships and I'm just too shaky too much of the time.
 
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I was expecting dogs & cats. LOL

I think you're on to something. This isn't something I know much about. My T says that all this stuff was, at some point, adaptive and served a purpose. The purpose, more or less, being survival. (He also says a lot of this "stuff" is based on out dated information and there are better options.) Even though I don't understand it at all, I think you're on the right track. The pain serves some kind of purpose. In some way, it is a kind of "friend".

I've been pretty disappointed in your T, from a distance. It seems like she should be paying a lot more attention to "what do you do NOW" than she seems to be. That's her JOB. It's no kind of reflection on you.

I don't think you're going to have to fundamentally change to have more friends. You've been struggling, and working on stuff. It's hard to have any energy left for relationships with the outside world when you're doing that. And it's important that you DO that. I think this stuff will come, as you get more stable and I can't see why that's not possible.

I'm honestly hoping that this "pain psychologist" has the good sense to see the origin of the pain and the ability to help you with the whole package. Time will tell, I guess.

But, keep thinking about this, because I think you've got the answers somewhere inside, if you can find them.

I care too!
 
You've been struggling, and working on stuff. It's hard to have any energy left for relationships with the outside world when you're doing that. And it's important that you DO that. I think this stuff will come, as you get more stable and I can't see why that's not possible.

I don't know how to work on this stuff. I do therapy on and off, try different things and realize that I'm probably continually distracting myself and not really making any deep change. But basically, I don't know if I'm working on anything anymore and I don't know what to do. It feels like the same thing over and over and over. Once I found a therapy that seemed like a better fit, that seemed hopeful. Then I considered that maybe I wouldn't get all better in half a year (I was very impatient at first)...like maybe this is a longer process. But I never stick with any therapist for more than about 1-2 years. I quit or get sent to the hospital or insurance f*cks it up. Why would I ever do therapy again??? I told my therapist I feel really frustrated because we probably only have about five sessions left. She didn't really give me any direction with that. Like is that all? And if so, how do I "transition" out? What am I doing? Is this really how it works? I just stop? And then what? This therapy isn't duplicated within my network. Part of me feels a rush to get it all fixed in five sessions while another part wants to quit right now, and yet another part wants to just go along at normal speed and not freak out. None of these options are working for me because they are in such conflict.

Anyway, yes, cats and dogs too. :hug: But there really is something about the pain.
 
Part of me feels a rush to get it all fixed in five sessions while another part wants to quit right now, and yet another part wants to just go along at normal speed and not freak out.
A few months ago, when my T was moving his practice and I wasn't sure how that was going to affect me, I felt that way. And, I was pretty angry because he didn't seem worried. (As it turned out, he wasn't worried because he knew there wasn't anything "real" to worry about.) HE, though, realized I was upset and we talked about it. Dealing with the situation was a team effort. We have it worked out so I'm still working with him, but, if it hadn't worked that way, he has an actual "procedure" for transitioning people out. Have you ever, directly, asked your T about that? Because she should too.
I don't know how to work on this stuff.
Me neither! And, my T says I don't have to, that's why "they pay him the big bucks". IMO, you're "working" on it the best way you know how. The thing is, you didn't get to where you are in 6 months or a year and you won't get to where you want to be that fast either. (If you do, you really need to share the technique!)

I keep thinking about something I'm sure I've seen in my insurance paperwork that says, if there's a service you need that isn't available in network, they'll work with you. Different policies are different and they have a way of not doing what it sounds like they should, but it just doesn't seem right that they (and your T!) aren't willing to work with you on this.
 
I'm not sure, I feel like I've been pretty direct in my questions for my therapist (but my version of "direct" can still be pretty fuzzy). I don't know if she has a different understanding of it all or, what I fear, is that she is just waiting until time is up and not willing to really help me with the challenge of just stopping...or finding a way to continue. It really feels like in a few sessions I'll just arbitrarily be done with therapy (I have asked about the idea of continuance, which would involve some paperwork...she said she's working with the insurance company but I told her, or reminded her, that as it stands I'm only covered for a maybe 4 or 5 more sessions).

But I think she is totally aware of it because she mentioned the number of sessions left, but does not seem really interested in advocating for me to continue (and all my fears of being terrible and too much for others to help are badly resurrected). Once when we talked briefly about how many sessions were allowed on new insurance she asked if it would help if she let me know when we have are close to the end or have a few weeks or something. I just started crying and sort of shut down. I don't know why I didn't quit right there, but part of me went back, thinking she could help me and wanting to feel like this can resolve in a way I feel okay with. All I can tell is that it IS the end. And I am NOT transitioning into a new therapy I feel even mildly hopeful about right now. I'm not transitioning into any form of therapy that can help with my feelings of hopelessness and being a burden and all that other shit left hanging from this current therapy if this is how it will end. I don't understand how this will be tied up. I want to remember good things I've learned but I'm very stuck on feeling like it's bad timing and I can't trust the process of therapy anymore. It's just WORSE and I feel really stupid for doing therapy. She said she wouldn't give up on me and I wanted to believe that. I'm so f*cking stupid. I can't help feeling like this insurance thing is just a really convenient way out for her. I feel really embarrassed about asking for help or telling anyone anything.

I don't think I want to see pain pscyh. That sounds like a nightmare right now. Call it another non-human prop, but I'm really liking my new brace. I'll take care of the pain that way for now...would rather go at this alone then start over in a totally different form of therapy at the moment and feel really f*cked in the head. There's definitely a point where the stress just makes you lose yourself and I'm cautiously willing to avoid that. Thanks for your support @scout86
 
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What you're describing sounds a LOT like the way I felt. And it's horrible.

That she says she's working with the insurance company sounds hopeful. (I heard the same thing and was SURE it didn't mean anything. And I was wrong.)

You're not stupid for wanting to do therapy. I know that feeling too. In spite of all the anguish and confusion, there's a part of you that wants things to improve and is willing to keep trying. That's a GOOD thing and something to hang on to and focus on.

I'm glad the brace is helping! And, at least think about the "pain therapy". I think I mentioned before, my T does a lot of weird stuff. He works with pain patients, among other things. If you ended up with the right pain therapist, there's a chance they would see the whole picture and be able to help the "whole you", I'm really sure you're right, that it's all related and it all interacts. (Which doesn't mean the pain is "all in your head"!)

Meanwhile, all I can think to suggest is to keep hammering away on the question of "What do I do NEXT???" until you get an answer. For what ever sessions you have next, that seems like a worthwhile topic.
 
Meanwhile, all I can think to suggest is to keep hammering away on the question of "What do I do NEXT???" until you get an answer.

I will. It's frustrating because there is stuff I want to work on now and not have to think about "next" at the moment. I guess my therapist is playing tag with the shitty insurance company a bit. By the time we'd even be able to know if continuance is an option, I will probably be out of sessions. I don't do well with stuff up in the air, and this is particularly bad. I need to ask her directly if she will just accept a check if I can go maybe once a month if insurance stops paying...anything to know I don't have to think completely about next steps right now. I wanted to focus on the therapy time itself and being able to still make some little changes. I'm sure she'd rather I be done, but I can't just end like this after a few more sessions....I've been in the mode of just putting out fires for so long with different health things. I feel like if I could get a little more support for the pain at my clinic, I could actually get somewhere in therapy right now vs feel kind of stuck in survival mode throughout my life.

The timing is so terrible and it's really really hard to trust that my therapist feels like I'm willing to advocate for...just too many yucky feelings I can't manage in this big glob. I even feel stupid for telling her a few weeks ago that I just wanted to die because probably I creeped her out. I want to tell her I'm doing great so she will feel good but I've just felt like I need to be more honest with someone because this year has NOT felt good. And now I feel really stupid and am worried I'm left alone with this. I'm really really tired.
 
I don't do well with stuff up in the air,
I don't either!
telling her a few weeks ago that I just wanted to die because probably I creeped her out.
How did she respond to that? You SHOULDN'T be creeping her out and she shouldn't want to give up on you. (I hate to use the word "should/shouldn't"!) There is really, truly nothing about you that would make a decent person despair of helping you. Thinking that way is a PTSD/childhood trauma related distortion of reality. If SHE is having a problem, the problem is with HER. More than likely it's a distortion of reality though.

It doesn't seem adequate, but I can sure understand how you feel! Been there! On a positive note, I was there a couple weeks ago and right now things are better. There really ARE "ups" to go with the "downs", even if it's hard to remember.
 
Thanks again...I'm trying to make more "ups"...working on some artwork tonight, trying to make it not suck. My best non-human relationships are probably with music and art. Though actually that involves a definite connection with myself and "humanity" (that always felt safe...bigger picture relationships that could help me feel connected...not concretely protected in any way, but sort of keeping my spirit protected). I love how art and music are abstract...like you can put yourself out there and not feel invalidated too deeply...most of the time people are much more open because it's not concrete and they can't so easily tell you that you are wrong, or a f*ck up. It teaches me about process because lots of my paintings do suck, but I don't give up on them (and myself that way). I just paint over them later. Some work out, I find mellowness in the process. This is totally a new topic but I'm feeling really random. Again, I appreciate your listening and words of support @scout86 ...thank you so much.
 
Thanks again...I'm trying to make more "ups"...working on some artwork tonight, trying to make it not suck...

Hi Chava,
I am sorry to hear all of the things that are going on with you.
Some of your friends, smoking, drinking ect seem like coping strategies to me.
I always knew there were good and bad ones but up until recently I had no idea how many of my coping strategies, mechanism where bad ones.
I have suffered with CPTSD since early childhood and over the years developed ways of coping that are now well and truly imbedded in me. Most of which, although at the time seem to help usually back fire on me.
It was only when after many years of therapy and therapist I found a good one I started to realise this.
Like you I felt, stuck, overwhelmed and unable to see the start or finish line. I found in therapy I needed to know where to start and what to sort out first. But could not find this point to start from.
The T I was seeing was very patient and I don't know how she did it but I started to see things more clearly. Like how my coping strategies where hindering my getting to a better place in my mind and life.
It took over a year and a half to even start to get any where.
I feel your pain and frustration with Therapist .
Keep trying, stay strong.
I hope you will accept my hand of friendship and my ear to bend should you need it.
I too don't make friends easily. I don't trust and often see the negatives in people way before and good. Another bad coping strategy of mine, suppose to keep me safe but keeps me alone.
I hope you can find a therapist who can really help you in finding your way to a better place in life.
Stay strong my friend.
Hugs G
 
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