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Ptsd Quackery

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BloomInWinter

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Where there's a movement towards funding, there's quackery.

Viewing the results of a basic google search, I was thinking that it looks like we're apparently on the cusp of a 'golden age' of PTSD Quackery. In the name of profiteering, fame, or at the very least, taking advantage of this injury, there seems to be no end to the depth of ineptitude.

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I made the mistake of listing to this podcast.
Mental Help Net ([DLMURL]http://www.mentalhelp.net[/DLMURL]) presents the Wise Counsel Podcast (wisecounsel.mentalhelp.net), hosted by David Van Nuys, Ph.D. "John Kihlstrom, Ph.D. on Dissociation."​

UGH. The worst of victim-blaming. Now, MOST of the podcasts on the mentalhelp.net I've found to be good to excellent. This one, however, was maddening. Sickening. Had to wonder just what motivates this 'Dr. Kihlstrom' to completely invalidate...everything.

I gave this podcast a 'one star rating' in iTunes and highly suggest all advocates to do the same. Just beware if you choose to listen to it.

Beware the Quackery.
 
Van Nuys. I saw that name and do not have to listen to the podcast, Bloom, to be sure.I will- won't go off at the proverbial half cock on the site. As you said, quakery follows funding, or must since I cannot find any other explanation for some of this stuff. I WILL, however, rate whatever nonsense is contained therein, since am feeling cranky enough on the entire subject to wish to be able to do SOMETHING. Maybe he did not write the thing but stands on some band wagons nodding wisely when doesn't seem to always know what he's wisely nodding about. I hadn't heard of this Kihlstrom fellow- I'll go listen but having gotten a load of other 'theories' along this line have a fair idea what end of the dam stick he's wagging.There are a FEWWW out there. At any rate, if these 'professionals wish to be taken at all seriously, they need to research and listen to what they're hosting, not lend support to nonsense.

Victim blaming. If one more dam person tells me to take responsibility for my 'condition' they're going to eat a podcast. I have. I do not know how to state that more clearly. I have. The fact that he was a raging sociopathic, predatory victimizer seems sometimes to take second place to 'my responsibility'. YES I KNOW, I DID IT. I MARRIED HIM. I did not, however, fling myself down the stairs,throw myself out of the house in freezing weather and lock the door in the middle of the night, I did NOT poison or choke myself multple, multiple times, was not resposible for the fractues and teeth ( someone show me where I was ) I did not expertly hold my own thumb ( they teach surgeons things like the fact that this sort of thing is possible- I'm pretty sure this wasn't the intent, in medical scool. Plus- Special Forces. ) over the carotid artery until I passed out, hold a gun to my own head-it was NOT my fault, you blithering, sadistic ninnies. Bottom line, no matter how neatly they phrase this, it's what they're getting at- some sort of equal 'fault', and that isn't PTSD paranoia or reactivity, or reading between the lines. I'd like to see Dr, Herman and he in a room, duking it out. She seems to be a rock solid pacifist but I'll bet she'd just lose it and deck him.

Ranting. One more thing, however. Who here has not heard "Why didn't you *just* leave? If I hear THAT one more time, I'm going to let Dr. Herman deck them for me. Even though it may ALMOST sound like a fair question, bottom line, it's just not. Victim Blaming, and it has to stop.
 
I think Van Nuys woke up wondering where he got that new hair-do this mornin'! Yeah! Now tell us what you really think Anni!:)
 
I think you should make that your tagline Anni -

'Eat My Podcast'
 
Hahahahaha! Oh Good Lord I'm crying! Boy, I talk a great deal of nonsense about not being able to express anger properly, or feel it much and that whole ball of wax seems to have gone poof! I've been lurking here and there (where it says 'members logged in, 12, guests, 427- I'd be the 427th- ) just because I'm not entirely well wrapped this evening but hadddd to log in when I saw this. Yes, anyway- eat my Podcast!

No doubt this will still be funny at 3 am or so. :)
 
I'll break the combo here. BloomInWinter, what IS Dr. Kihlstrom saying, as you interpreted it? I scanned the article but it didn't tell me anything new. I didn't pick up on an undercurrent of victim-blaming, but I'm interested in how the interview comes across that way to some people.

If anyone actually reads the transcript, ignore the "mind control" comments if you value your sanity.
 
By the way, I strongly agree with you on this:

Where there's a movement towards funding, there's quackery.

Viewing the results of a basic google search, I was thinking that it looks like we're apparently on the cusp of a 'golden age' of PTSD Quackery. In the name of profiteering, fame, or at the very least, taking advantage of this injury, there seems to be no end to the depth of ineptitude.
 
I rather knew you would, RJ, since it sounds an awful lot like something you'd have phrased also, and hope you don't mind me saying so. I can't do anything but rant at the moment, and that poorly but are you saying there's yet another element in the article which may push one up the wall? I won't go look ( promise) until glued together more completely. It's mostly spit and garbage ties presently.
 
BloomInWinter, what IS Dr. Kihlstrom saying, as you interpreted it?


This is JUST my opinion. Quotes are from the podcast.

"I have clinical training but have not ...since my internship seen patients" John Kihlstrom
...but he's certainly testified many times against other clinician's while 'expertly' defending pedos. Quite the lucrative career as an expert 'repressed memory' denialist testifying

..."So-called prospective studies of trauma victims show that amnesia doesn't play a major role in their symptomatology. In fact there's NO evidence for any kind of psychological process, like repression or disassocation instigated by trauma causing somebody to be amnesic ah, for a traumatic event. That evidence just isn't there, surprisingly."


Huh. HOW does he make that kind of leap? I call 'logical fallacy'! Wouldn't it be great if on follow-up, he was asked to produce just ONE of these so-called 'prospective studies?'

This gem... "The criteria for a traumatic event are very, very loose. Virtually anything can be called a trauma, in part because trauma is always diagnosed from the point of view of the trauma victim. Um, but, in fact, people who are exposed to trauma, their typical view is that they remember their trauma all too well. That's the key, unwanted intrusive memory is a key symptom of, ah, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. So, it's kind of hard to understand how it is that trauma could actually instigate these kinds of amnesias; we don't see them in people with verified trauma. We just don't see it."


Yeah, I call BS. …AND I’ve got the symptoms to prove it. …AND I’ve got the lovely court transcripts & police witnesses & professor colleagues to prove I have the trauma. So…I must be unique?

“Disassociative disorder comes from somewhere but it doesn't necessary reflect something that has happened to somebody who has been traumatized.”

So…if we can't remember or disassociate, we must either be lying, imagining it, or defective? Wow…no wonder pedos list him as a ‘recommended’ resource. ...and it leads MOST people unfamiliar with first-hand violence down the well-carved cultural neuropathway of victim-blaming. Because blame - so much safer for most to process than having to face the scary fact that violence could happen to ANYONE - for NO reason at all - other than random sick perp.

[Questioned about Rape] “Well, again, as far as...there's a lot of amnesia in rape, but then again, in case of the rape, but then again, that takes place under conditions of violence or, or alcohol intoxication, or um, or whatever. This is not to blame rape victims, just a simple fact of the kinds of circumstances that these things occur in. And when you've got violence, physical trauma, when you've got alcohol intoxication, ah, for example, um, ah, when you've got someone ah, being, ah, attacked out of nowhere, it's very likely that they won't remember very much of the incident but it's not because of repression or disassociation; it's because of normal memory processes.”

So…it’s not the rape trauma that causes people to lose memory, it’s just normal memory processes? Yeah, great - keep promoting the idea that REPRESSION ISN'T REAL - therefore keeping the 'VICTIMS ARE LIARS' number 1 pedo/perp defense in play. That it's a lucrative career - being paid to testify to this position - surely doesn't bias his professional 'opinions' or 'research,' either?

GREAT for an ‘Expert’ to tell this to juries (many who have a 7th – 9th grade reading level.) Calling the ‘unknown’ that big…’something’…leaving juries to ‘fill in the blank’ themselves? All too often, this doubt gets filled in with the victim blaming that is the most culturally acceptable puzzle piece to fit into this schema.

I have big problems with this podcast.

I can only hope that someday, we can all be a part of giving the needed evidence-based info needed to dispute it as the BUNK I believe it to be.

For any victims who lost their chance at justice thanks in part to his 'Expert' testimony, I believe you.
 
The leaps- that's where it always, always gets me, but am not wired well enough to have gotten further than to be infuritated. The sweeping statements, unsubstantiated but gosh, he's wearing Brooks Brothers and has all his teeth, plus there's a camera pointed his way- he's the Real Deal!

I am not part of this world, academically, so do not have the knowledge to refute one scrap of this guy in the same way- it's satisfying to SEE it, in black and white, I only knew it sure sounded like an infuriating load of patronizing , dangerous crap. THERE it is, so thank you.

Experts get paid an awful lot of money to testify, too, which makes him a what, for the implication that the victims are making all this up? There's more than a whiff of bullying here, and just plain meaness, too. I can't quite put my finger on it.
 
It's not just this jerk off. The court decision on my ssi claim came back. Not only am I faking my trauma but ptsd is not considered a severe condition warenting ssi approval. They never even put my mental health workers notes into the deciding papperwork. I'm appealing again and my worker is being my advocate this time.

And as for people like this guy? I got a good quote for you "It puts the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again "
 
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