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Ivy

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Greetings to you all. I apologize If this is not the right place to ask, if the post becomes too long... but I need some opinions on this. I request your help to help someone else who doesn't want to go see a professional, despite his severe emotional condition. Thoughts, opinions, advice... is welcome. I have friends and especially those people I helped to heal up to back me up with this, but I fear the current person is exceeding my current level of knowledge.

I've helped people get over suicidal thoughts and manic depressions, but this "case" i have before me now is boggling my mind. It's like nothing I've ever seen before. I'm not a professional, I am merely a carer by heart, and have had my own share of experience with the ugly sides of life.
This forum has already helped me to get some insight of a PTSD's sufferer's mind, yet uncertainty is still on my side.

The story:
I met a fellow graphics artist online in a forum, where I had posted a single comic strip to the entertainment of the users. He seemed to be quite fond of my comic, and so we came to exchange words and artworks a while later.
It was a time where I drew a lot of short 'toons just for him to make him feel better. He seemed very sad, but at this point I had no clue why. Only my silly cartoons could get him to drop his sadness for a while, and get him to laugh. A lot.

A while later he told me that he was in a rather unstable condition. (flashbacks, sleeping disorders, nightmares, depressions, outrageous mood swings, feeling of hopeless- and worthlessness followed by a brief fit of extreme self confidence, lack of perspective...) His long-term girlfriend AND his father (to which he seemed to have been rather close) had died in a rather short timespan one after another. Sudden heart failure. His late girlfriend... I haven't dared to ask. "In the end, she was a nursing case." It's all I need to know.
When I showed up in his life, his gf only died about two months before. His real-life stuff seemed to go totally out of control. He had been emotionally shattered, and it didn't take a genius to figure out why.
It took me about two seconds to decide to book a trip to his hometown and visit him, despite the fact that I had only known him for about 2 weeks at this point. It was crazy, but it was the right decision. I stayed a week at his place, and things were worse than I expected.

I made some assumptions from the pictures he painted me until then (grim, dark, threatening) but that was just a slight hint of what was to come.

I had prepared myself with knowledge as good as I could under all the anxiety, but even that wasn't enough. It took me a month to finally realize what was going in his head back then when I visited him. So broken beyond belief...

At times he would just lie down and zone out. Luckily he allowed me to give him a hug or just be there for him when that happened. What I did not know then: it were the times when he had intense flashbacks. He hid them well, for that I did not notice, but his mood changes were drastic. He could be happy one moment and be sad the next, but unable to cry or show true emotion. His overall state could be described as broken - beyond sad.
Although we had some romantical advances going on prior to my visit, shortly after my arrival, things froze over. I first put the blame on myself (well, not everything can be a good match, right?) but from the way he acted and *apologized* for not showing that much emotion, the problem seems to lie elsewhere, and I have a good guess where.

At first I believed it would be normal grief. But normal grief does not come with flashbacks that worsen even after the course of five months, along with everything that could be considered PTSD. Things get even more awful when he's out for "social drinking". It moves him into a deep spiral of depression, flashbacks and fits of guilt towards me. Phrases like "I don't know what to do with you." "I am an unworthy person" I am just mistreating and abusing you, aren't I?" "I am such a looser..." are common during these phases. Yesterday he left me a whole message like this at 4am in the morning. Naturally, after he logged on at noon, I asked him If he would like to explain this to me in the evening after he fully sobered up. He agreed, an so we talked.

I probably pushed a little far at this point. I was a little nervous because our relationship is drifting between "best friend" and "couple" and I couldn't quite fathom why. (We had a splendid time during my visit regardless, so...). I was telling myself that he was still attached to his late gf, which I do respect. But his rather erratic behavior supports my PTSD theory. One time he's pushing me away, the next he's holding me close. One time he considers giving in to pretty women in his area, the next he is praising me as his saviour.

If I wouldn't have had my share of experience with emotionally wounded people, I would've probably gone insane by now. I am keeping my distance as far as I can, but I still cannot deny my feelings for him. I just try not to surface it overly often (romantically) and try to give him the space he needs, mostly encouraging him to make a move. I channel my emotions without words, through my artworks, my comics, and the small gestures such as putting a good digital emote-coffee on his instant messenger window when he needs one.
He responds throughout positively to these small things, so much that he even values my advice on him quitting smoking & social drinking, doing more sports and seek out other activities away from the computer.
As usual, I am not lecturing him or forcing him to do something, I am mostly encouraging him to do these things on his own.

Yet, he won't agree to see a professional. I've surfaced this topic by telling him that I was reading an article about PTSD because it interests me and because I wanted to know more about flashbacks. At this point he nearly freaked out and told me that he doesn't think highly of "so called professionals" and said that I should not even THINK of trying to analyze him. (Eh...I've been doing this all along? Oh well.)
Also he's very insisting on keeping his grief for himself. "It's my problem, not something you should concern yourself with." Fine by me. Up to the point that I want to help him get over his volatile emotional condition, because it is influencing his work and his (our?) love life.

My next steps would be trying to help him through Yoga and Meditation, if I ever get a chance to see him again before the condition worsens. His flashbacks seem to have increased in frequency recently, which is a step back from the progress we had when the romantic thing wasn't going on, and he was going out social drinking less.

Since he refuses to go see a professional, I'm on my own here, and seek your advice. Should I stay this course? Should I keep the relationship on such a low romantic level? I have no trouble with that, mind you, although I do want a clear answer at some point in the future...cause "oh surprise, I've been cheating on you!" is a deal breaker for me.

Do you have any more suggestions what I could try to help him? Heck... are my assumptions even correct? I am worried, and running out of ideas here.


Keep on helping....

-Ivy :hello:
 
Dear Ivy,

Your situation seems complicated, and advice is not my strong suit. My observation is that much of your focus is on him when in fact you sound as if you are very worried about being hurt. Perhaps taking some of the focus off of him and caring for yourself at this moment might ease the pressure.

I learned through many failed attempts that I can not change other people, I can only change myself and that task, most often keeps my plate full. I admire and respect your compassion to want to help him, but if he doesn't want help then you're putting all your energy into an effort that will not benefit you or him. Perhaps letting go or allowing yourself to take a little emotional vacation from the situation will help you find a direction that is right for you.

Best of luck,
Shoka
 
Dear Ivy...as a person who has been a nurturer many times over, I have finally learnt what "saviour behaviour" really means...let this guy go. He is clearly in need of help...professional help. Please look after you and your needs before he drains you emotionally and you end up needing help. Good luck.
 
It does sound like uncontrolled PTSD but the only way to know that for sure is for him to get an actual diagnosis.

Listen, you can NOT help this person. They can only help themselves. If he is unwilling to seek help then there is NOTHING that you can do.

The absolute best thing you can do at this point is to leave the situation. Until he is ready to seek help and help himself it won't matter what you try. You are only going to drag yourself though the mud for no reason at all.

I'm sorry but this is the brutal truth. You can not help and you are only going to cause yourself extreme grief and possibly cause yourself to have a breakdown. Stay out of the situation entirely.

bec
 
He has to take the first step himself by acknowledging that he needs help, then seeking help. Asking for help is not a sign of weakness, but strength. It takes courage. While you may want to be supportive, and invest in him, read up about PTSD here or in books to find out that it is a hard rollercoaster for carer and sufferer. You can't make anyone seek help until they are ready to accept it.
 
I agree with Becvan. It's very true, and the simple truth. I don't think it should be said in the way that you get "dragged through the mud" though...i guess that's because i choose to view it differently. But what Becvan has said it everything that happens when someone is undiagnosed.

My ex bf is undianosed and i tried to help in every which way i could. Unfortunatly i did hit an all time low and i was grieving so much from all that was going on. I had a huge breakdown, and i've slowly been building myself back up. 2 years of grief for me, and there was no solution, no conclusion, and NOTHING i could do to help him.

You cannot do anything to help this man, i'm sorry to say that. All you can do is say you will support him if and when he is ready to talk to you. Other than that, i will highly suggest that you MUST take care of yourself. It's a longgggg road, and it does take a toll on the person who cares for someone with ptsd or someone who is undiagnosed.

Take a break, walk away...let him know you care and you're there for him when and if he decides to reach out to you..other than that, there is really nothing else you can do.

I lost my bf to all of this..and it is hard and it does suck, to have to sit on the sidelines and watch all of this happen. Know it's not your fault, but something he must deal with himself. He can't talk/be there for you, unless he can help himself first.

Hope this helps! :)
 
I'm sorry but I'm going to be brutal here. I think you need to focus on yourself and look into codependent behavior. You could get seriously hurt (physically, mentally and emotionally) running directly to someone you know is emotionally disturbed and a virtual stranger. You hint at having a pattern of this. Perhaps you need to look at your own drive to "save" for the answers?
 
Like KingsOmega, I feel the need to be blunt and say you are trying to create a very unhealthy relationship and it sounds to me you both need help (and that is not help in trying to save the relationship). Ivy you need to get help and work on why you feel the need to "fix" someone who is very unhealthy while adopting unhealthy behaviours yourself in the process.
 
Hello Ivy:hello:I too am going to back up what both KingsO and Nicolette have said, You can not help this person if HE is not WILLING to help himself, it will only make you sick in doing so. It is a rollercoaster ride for both sufferer and carer and that is even with professional assistance. Back off while you can Ivy because his behaviour is not going to improve while he is refusing to see a professional and there is nothing you can say or do, He has told you wear he stands YOU either Accept his decision and move on or continue to bang your head up against a brick wall:crazy:and put yourself at risk :stupid:emotionally. YOU cant FIX him.
 
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