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All doctors get paid. It is their job , their livelihood. How else do they feed their family?
Just like you cannot 'cure' diabetes either - or many other illnesses.
perhaps the ones not being teated are not ill?
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No - the video is itself slanted and seems to reek of a 'conspiracy' theory type hype.
I do NOT believe the old argument 'well mental illness / PTSD / whatever' 'can't be cured' - most commonly on here we see the 'there is no cure for PTSD!' theory.
Personally, I think it's BULL. Why? Because it's semantics.
There is no 'cure' for cancer either - but thousands and thousands of people get cancer, have treatment and live long happy lives WITHOUT cancer coming back.
So technically, there might not be a 'cure' for mental illness - but there sure as hell are very effective treatments and mental illness does NOT have to be lifelong experiences.
I do NOT believe the old argument 'well mental illness / PTSD / whatever' 'can't be cured' - most commonly on here we see the 'there is no cure for PTSD!' theory.
Personally, I think it's BULL. Why? Because it's semantics.
There is no 'cure' for cancer either - but thousands and thousands of people get cancer, have treatment and live long happy lives WITHOUT cancer coming back.
So technically, there might not be a 'cure' for mental illness - but there sure as hell are very effective treatments and mental illness does NOT have to be lifelong experiences.
This is hardly a balanced video series. I think there's a discussion to be had, but this isn't it. It's too one-sided, generalising and sensational.
Are you aware that the Citizen's Commission for Human Rights was set up and is run by Scientologists to further their religious aims?
http://www.scientology.org/how-we-help/citizens-commission-on-human-rights.html
Are you aware that the Citizen's Commission for Human Rights was set up and is run by Scientologists to further their religious aims?
http://www.scientology.org/how-we-help/citizens-commission-on-human-rights.html
I have seen the video called the DSM: Psychiatry's Deadliest Scam. Truthfully, if you think about how psychiatrists had at one time deemed homosexuality as a mental illness and now it isn't - we need to remember that many of these diagnosis and pharmaceuticals doled out for such are those who have not had personal experience of being a client of the psychological network, haven't been forced to take pills that we know are not good for us for weeks at a time 'because that is how long they take to see', not seen our life fall to ruins because a diagnosis was randomly handed out. Seriously, the movie I note above is disturbing as people go to various psychiatrists and are given as many labels as the doctors they go to see.
I am not saying all are bad - but I am saying we do need to be mindful and not allow ourselves to put our complete faith into the dsm bible.
I am not saying all are bad - but I am saying we do need to be mindful and not allow ourselves to put our complete faith into the dsm bible.
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Oh, yes I had forgotten that one. I have read too of some of the 'treatments' for homosexuality. They worked. Because if you said you were cured you were released from treatment. If you said it had not worked they repeated it, and repeated it, and repeated it .. until you said it had worked!
Now they are making bereavement into an illness...
Exactly. I get that there are real illnesses out there that need to be addressed - so please don't lend towards black and white 'I am saying mental illness is not real". Seriously though, it was the psychiatry industry that used to call PTSD 'lacking of moral fiibre' in WWII and in WWI they used to shoot those with what they called 'shell shock' AND refused to honour them as victims and fighters in the war.
Is it not possible that we still have a long way to go and need to look at current 'cures' with the knowledge that there still need to be great gains to be made in the efficient and humane manner in which people with 'mental illness' are treated? Yes, I get that we are no longer being shot etc but it is not us who should be imagining what should be better and challenging those who treat us to help future generations for yet more efficient and compassionate care and challenge these things that they call mental illness? I mean really - bereavement a mental illness? Come on.
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Before medicine & psychiatry people weren't treated. People with mental health issuers were either retarded/stupid, crazy, or possessed by evil spirit.
As either retarded, crazy, or possessed ... You were either locked up, kept confined (like working in a factory sweeping, or chained up on a farm, or simply not trusted to ever hold any kind of meaningful position in life, including marriage/children), or killed out of hand. If it was believed you were possessed that death would be exceptionally painful (burned to death was common).
What science & medicine have done is to first taxonomize (hey, wait, there is more than one kind of crazy, more than one kind of stupid, and let's just ignored possessed by satan all together, because come to find everyone we thought possessed actually has some really obvious cause&effect), and then, once we've separated things out into different categories? Tried to find the best way to treat people. Moreover, coming together to pool knowledge and redefine as we understand better what things are, and what works best to treat those things.
I fail to see how not burning people at the stake, locking them in prisons and asylums, or writing them off as too stupid to do anything with... But instead to be looking for causes and solutions is this awful, scary, terrible thing.
Diagnosis doesn't change a single atom of who a person is. Roses by any other name are still roses. What it does do, is gives us the opportunity to find the best way to deal with it. Roses need different care than tomatoes and tomatoes need different care than kittens. Science is seeking to understand. Not starting out with a perfect understanding. We started out with stupid, crazy, and demons. Look how far we've come. Just because we still have a long way to go, still, doesn't mean we should throw in the towel!
As either retarded, crazy, or possessed ... You were either locked up, kept confined (like working in a factory sweeping, or chained up on a farm, or simply not trusted to ever hold any kind of meaningful position in life, including marriage/children), or killed out of hand. If it was believed you were possessed that death would be exceptionally painful (burned to death was common).
What science & medicine have done is to first taxonomize (hey, wait, there is more than one kind of crazy, more than one kind of stupid, and let's just ignored possessed by satan all together, because come to find everyone we thought possessed actually has some really obvious cause&effect), and then, once we've separated things out into different categories? Tried to find the best way to treat people. Moreover, coming together to pool knowledge and redefine as we understand better what things are, and what works best to treat those things.
I fail to see how not burning people at the stake, locking them in prisons and asylums, or writing them off as too stupid to do anything with... But instead to be looking for causes and solutions is this awful, scary, terrible thing.
Diagnosis doesn't change a single atom of who a person is. Roses by any other name are still roses. What it does do, is gives us the opportunity to find the best way to deal with it. Roses need different care than tomatoes and tomatoes need different care than kittens. Science is seeking to understand. Not starting out with a perfect understanding. We started out with stupid, crazy, and demons. Look how far we've come. Just because we still have a long way to go, still, doesn't mean we should throw in the towel!
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I am always reminded of the doctor in a Star Trek movie where they returned to Earth in the 20th Century and he witnessed medicine as it was at that time and commented: "My God man! What is this? The Dark Ages?!" I think in some ways we may as a society still be in the dark ages when it comes to mental health issues. We are certainly more enlightened about mostly obvious medical issues, but not everyone gets the mental ones.
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This is to everyone:
I know that I have started a debate here. The reason why I searched up this stuff about psych wards and how people end up getting there is because Whenever I asked my mother's reasoning for all the abuse I had been gone through, she calls me crazy for asking those questions! She just sends me into guilt trips and isn't willing to confront my concerns about the abuse I had been instead I have heard her tell me that "I NEED to be electric shocks AND I WILL end up in the Psych ward!!" We again had an argument yesterday which upsetted me and I was actually wondering what psych wards are about and what will happen to me if I end up there. I know that I shouldn't have gotten into this kind of question here at the first place but I was curious about what happens there and reasons that get you there. I am the kind of person who always asks questions and need reasoning for everything that happens the way it happens. I didn't start this thread to scare any of the people here. My solely concern was about mother's and abusers comments towards. I wanted to know the answer to that WHY question. I shouldn't have believed in what my mother and others have been labeling me all these years. I EVEN asked my T several times if I am really Crazy or Sick that I will end up there, and she told me that it's my abusers that are quite f*cked up and my mother has been controlled by them.
I am NOT denying that antidepressants have helped me BUT my depression has been hitting me harder each time it has come back in these 11 years. I didn't know what the real reason for medication not working on me in these last 6+ months until I heard from my Psychiatrist after calling him two days ago that I have a thyroid disease which causes me to have depression and that's why each time my depression comes back worse. The triggers that set off the depression each time is one of the abusers living near by me. I have been on and off antidepressants for last 11 years without actually knowing the true causes of it. I do realise that this documentary was quite biased BUT there are always two sides to the coin. You can't always under-look one side while overlook the other side. I felt like asking this question because I wanted to know what others thought about it. I have tried several combinations in these last 6 months but most of the drugs weren't working on me simply because of the thyroid problem. I wish I had known about this hereditary autoimmune disease so I would've been treated for both depress and thyroid at the same time other than me getting worse each time I was depressed.
I hope I haven't offended any members here. I know it was a complex question because it can been looked at from several points of views and each one of us have different views on things.
I know that I have started a debate here. The reason why I searched up this stuff about psych wards and how people end up getting there is because Whenever I asked my mother's reasoning for all the abuse I had been gone through, she calls me crazy for asking those questions! She just sends me into guilt trips and isn't willing to confront my concerns about the abuse I had been instead I have heard her tell me that "I NEED to be electric shocks AND I WILL end up in the Psych ward!!" We again had an argument yesterday which upsetted me and I was actually wondering what psych wards are about and what will happen to me if I end up there. I know that I shouldn't have gotten into this kind of question here at the first place but I was curious about what happens there and reasons that get you there. I am the kind of person who always asks questions and need reasoning for everything that happens the way it happens. I didn't start this thread to scare any of the people here. My solely concern was about mother's and abusers comments towards. I wanted to know the answer to that WHY question. I shouldn't have believed in what my mother and others have been labeling me all these years. I EVEN asked my T several times if I am really Crazy or Sick that I will end up there, and she told me that it's my abusers that are quite f*cked up and my mother has been controlled by them.
I am NOT denying that antidepressants have helped me BUT my depression has been hitting me harder each time it has come back in these 11 years. I didn't know what the real reason for medication not working on me in these last 6+ months until I heard from my Psychiatrist after calling him two days ago that I have a thyroid disease which causes me to have depression and that's why each time my depression comes back worse. The triggers that set off the depression each time is one of the abusers living near by me. I have been on and off antidepressants for last 11 years without actually knowing the true causes of it. I do realise that this documentary was quite biased BUT there are always two sides to the coin. You can't always under-look one side while overlook the other side. I felt like asking this question because I wanted to know what others thought about it. I have tried several combinations in these last 6 months but most of the drugs weren't working on me simply because of the thyroid problem. I wish I had known about this hereditary autoimmune disease so I would've been treated for both depress and thyroid at the same time other than me getting worse each time I was depressed.
I hope I haven't offended any members here. I know it was a complex question because it can been looked at from several points of views and each one of us have different views on things.
No offense at all @J_trustno1. I don't think it is a bad thing to throw these things around. I do understand that we were burned at the stake, shot, locked up and forced into labour. I am not debating that. I have to tell you though, that it was two years ago that someone told me right to me face that they thought that mental illness was possession of the devil. That went over with me like a ton of bricks I have to tell you. I still think we have a way to go. Keep in mind that electroshock therapy is one of the prescribed 'cures' for my catatonic states.
I have to tell you that my shaman is a woman's transitional worker. She deals with people in crisis. One of her main complaints is the doctors dope her clients up so much that there is no way of 'getting through' to them to help them. What is the difference between that and being locked up in a psyche ward? We need clarity to work through our issues. And they can be worked through. I believe by doping people up beyond compression or putting them on the wrong drugs because the diagnosis is incorrect we are not helping the way we should be.
I have to tell you that my shaman is a woman's transitional worker. She deals with people in crisis. One of her main complaints is the doctors dope her clients up so much that there is no way of 'getting through' to them to help them. What is the difference between that and being locked up in a psyche ward? We need clarity to work through our issues. And they can be worked through. I believe by doping people up beyond compression or putting them on the wrong drugs because the diagnosis is incorrect we are not helping the way we should be.
I think we all have to be diligent as to the amount of meds that help us and that numb us out or make us zombies or have side effects that exacerbate our symptoms. I don't believe that doctors here in Canada really have a grip on that with the 5-10 minutes that they check in with us once every 6 weeks. It may be different in other locations but that has been my experience here.
It is our journey and we need to be responsible for our own health. We can't leave it to others - we can ask them for guidance but it is ultimately our call as to what is good for us and what is not.
It is our journey and we need to be responsible for our own health. We can't leave it to others - we can ask them for guidance but it is ultimately our call as to what is good for us and what is not.
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