Strategy During Suicidal Thoughts?

[stillstanding2]

My memory is fuzzy with time since I hast had thoughts of suicide. But I recall on one occasion clinging successfully to this question: If some stranger were to attack me with deadly force out of the dark, would I fight back? And if I would fight back, how hard?

Eventually, I realized I would not only reflexively fight back to save my life, but I would do so furiously with no fear of death. Is this a useful thought to anyone else considering suicide.?

 

[Snowflake]

My memory is fuzzy with time since I hast had thoughts of suicide. But I recall on one occasion...

Funny thing is I just mentioned this scenario to my therapist yesterday. I said I wouldn't fight back. I have no strength, no will. All I know is the "freeze."

 

[KwanYingirl]

Well, I was attacked by a stranger junkie and strangled from behind. I passed out and I guess he left me for dead. I never had a chance it happened so quick. I feel that I am unable to defend myself.

 

[stillstanding2]

I have no strength, no will. All I know is the "freeze."

Would you truly not have the primitive reflex to try to deflect or dodge a potentially painful blow? That's not a conscious reaction, but it can boost your adrenaline so that you can have more strength than you think you have. At least I think that is how it works for me. It is instinct.

 

[stillstanding2]

I never had a chance it happened so quick. I feel that I am unable to defend myself.

That's terrible. You didn't see it coming. In a different setting, though, such as if you saw someone coming at you with a knife, would you try to avoid being cut?

What I'm getting at is: Do some of us possibly have a potentially deadly stranger within us that causes us to self-harm? And if so, can we identify that stranger in ourselves and learn to avoid him or her?

 

[Friday]

Yep! It's part of my high risk living I kick into from time to time; need to be on the edge to either feel alive, or to give me a reason to live.

 

[stillstanding2]

Yep! It's part of my high risk living I kick into from time to time; need to be on the edge to eithe...

So you rely on challenges as motivation? Or do you mean extremes like Russian roulette?

 

[KwanYingirl]

Ummmm....I haven't decided what makes me self harm. I'm just glad that the progress I've had has managed to keep me cut-free for several years.

 

[stillstanding2]

the progress I've had has managed to keep me cut-free for several years.

I'm so relieved to hear that! Maybe others knew that, but being a newbie here, I didn't when you mentioned it on that other thread last night. And HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 

[Friday]

<chuckling> The healthy (healthier) side of it would be challenges as motivation :D Adrenaline junkie stuff, mostly. Fast cars & tricky driving. Sparring. Gravity sports. Things that aren't inherently deadly, but which are virtually impossible to get life insurance when you do them regularly.

The unhealthier side wouldn't be Russian Roulette... That's all luck, no skill... I need skill to at least be waved in the general direcfion

 

[Tinyflame]

No I don't think one can avoid part of themself, I don't believe the purpose is a 'deadly stranger', & for some of us (myself anyway) it's just not instinctual to fight back or self-preserve that way. JMHO though.

 

[Nikie]

This is a very deep thing you are looking at.. It makes me think. ...a bit...:whistling: ..... each person would look at it differently... You and fridayjones are programmed to think of challenges when you feel suicidal .. Snowflake on the other hand will freeze but every person have an instinct of survival her survival method is to be stiff and maybe first look what they will do. There will be a time that survival will kick in. The reason I think this...is that she said she mentioned it to her therapist and not other way around .. But just like kwan yingirl said she passed out. Maybe snowflake and kwan yingirl have the same surviving reflexes

Copied from Wikipedia and edited to get the links out:p

Apparent death known as playing dead.....is a behavior in which an animal takes on the appearance of being dead. This form of animal deception is anadaptive behavior also known as tonic immobility...
Apparent death can be used as a defense mechanism or as a form of aggressive mimicy, and occurs in a wide range of animals.

When induced by humans, the state is sometimes colloquially known as animal hypnosis. Please read in wiki in had to remove parts
Passing out is then normal behaviour and the normal reaction of the attacker would be. " I killed him/her" and flea... " in most cases i think.. i would fall in this category... Play dead and if he is at ease i will nock him down ..( shark survival stratagy)
In human world if you were bullied and reacted in it they will keep bullying you if you " fee jou gat aan hulle af ". :D Plainly ignore them .. . They will turn around and find a new toy to humiliate ...
As junburg said ( in my words i think) everybody will act on the instinckt they are programmed with ..

What I'm getting at is: Do some of us possibly have a potentially deadly stranger within us that causes us to self-harm? And if so, can we identify that stranger in ourselves and learn to avoid him or her?
I think so.. Its called " the origin"!! We just need to self reflect and search for that part of us.. Maybe get the root of that feeling and it might go wayyyyy back like in the womb of the mother!!!! According to an article in read

" the silent epidemic of attachment disorder"

Good luck in each and everybody's search on how you are functioning !!:hug:
" this is only an opinion if I said anyting wrong or it might sound rude I ask forgiveness:) I Blame my English vocabulary:roflmao: "