trauma programs more trauma, and resolving it with ego dissolution

[maryiscontrary]

I think there is way more than just geography that’s causing the differences in opinion here. Did you ever look at the links I sent ya?

Did you p.m. them to me? If so I never got anything in my inbox? please send them again!

Personally, I think what she said was done very respectfully and was intelligent and informative without judging. What she said made much more sense considering your ego is literally not something you can kill off.

Well you're certainly welcome to your opinion. I totally respect that. But I think that it's rather ignorant to assume that I am on a Carlos Castaneda trip and that my personal Journey indicates a propensity for suicidal ideation. That is just not the case in my opinion. You are welcome to your opinion.

 

[Kubash16]

Did you p.m. them to me? If so I never got anything in my inbox? please send them again!

We can’t PM on here. They are at the beginning of the thread when we first started talking and I linked what an ego actually is, it’s a literal part of your consciousness just like the id and superego. Nothing to do with your region.

Also, maybe your specific natives are healthier than their western counterparts. But I don’t think using that as a broad stroke is a good idea. I think, besides natives in North America, you can look at indigenous groups across Africa, Asia, and many other places that will definitely have a lower occurrence of mental diagnoses. But that’s because they are focused on more immediate/life threatening illnesses such as malaria, Ebola, etc. So of course on the surface they will appear mentally healthier, but they aren’t. It’s just that the focus is on other more urgent things.

 

[maryiscontrary]

We can’t PM on here. They are at the beginning of the thread when we first started talking and I linked what an ego actually is, it’s a literal part of your consciousness just like the id and superego. Nothing to do with your region.

Also, maybe your specific natives are healthier than their western counterparts. But I don’t think using that as a broad stroke is a good idea. I think, besides natives in North America, you can look at indigenous groups across Africa, Asia, and many other places that will definitely have a lower occurrence of mental diagnoses. But that’s because they are focused on more immediate/life threatening illnesses such as malaria, Ebola, etc. So of course on the surface they will appear mentally healthier, but they aren’t. It’s just that the focus is on other more urgent things.

Can you point exactly to where I was painting with a broad stroke? I was referring a number of times to my experiences in the Amazon here in South America. And ego is very much open to interpretation. For me , it is the classical conditioning of the autonomic nervous system, along with the amygdala and certain parts of the medial and ventral frontal lobe to events in life that cause trauma. You noticed that little babies do not have an ego? It is the trauma in life that forms this type of self defense. And what I am elaborating here is that I am killing Mine. it is been a very rewarding experience so far.

 

[Kubash16]

Here’s the link I had attached before: Ego, Superego, and Id Explained

 

[maryiscontrary]

Yes this is classical textbook. Thanks for sharing again as this was at least 50 messages back.

 

[Kubash16]

It’s not a textbook, it’s an article breaking it down into simpler terms. My point is the ego isn’t up for interpretation. It is the piece of your consciousness meshing the primal side of your brain and the logical side into the wiser, more adapted to real life, functional brain.

I’m out, cause I’m not getting anywhere. Maybe you will get more positive feedback when you are more open to others.

Peace

 

[maryiscontrary]

I have given likes to every single person on this thread, regardless of the egotism and snarkiness LOL! This thread was only about my experience, your mileage may vary. But it seems like I stepped on some egos as well! I'm just saying that after many years of trying to medicate myself, many attempts in the mental health system, many years of trying to understand what the hell was going on with me personally, I have found that I can control these terrible symptoms by killing my ego.

 

[Kubash16]

My ego, the part that makes me a rational/emotional/whole human being, is very much intact. ? I have way bigger fish than you could ever be. You are the only one throwing out insults, by repeatedly indicating that everyone else is somehow offended or something. I’m not offended, no hits to my self esteem, I’m all good. I’m simply frustrated that we seem to be on totally different wavelengths. You act like we are stating just our opinions on your experience. Maybe some are, I don’t know. I’m only trying to share factual information so that you don’t continue to insist on misinformation, or discourage others from utilizing therapy and medication when they are very rational, sometimes needed, healthy options. You’re promoting some very out there themes that don’t make any sense, are not rational in any sense, and seem like what someone says when even using therapy and medications become overwhelmed with trauma recovery and are trying desperately to grab at any other means of survival.

 

[maryiscontrary]

"I have way bigger fish than you could ever be."

In my definition this is an expression of a self defensive mechanism of an ego. you are certainly welcome to your opinion, I keep saying this. I've probably said this about 10 times just today. but this looks quite disrespectful to me.

"You’re promoting some very out there themes that don’t make any sense, are not rational in any sense, and seem like what someone says when even using therapy and medications become overwhelmed with trauma recovery and are trying desperately to grab at any other means of survival."

And I've said probably five times today other people's mileage might vary. I'm telling you that I am dissociating the least in my life, I am socializing with friends on a healthy level the most in my life, I have more emotional regulation than I've ever had, and this is what I have done to do this. I'm not promoting it to anybody. I'm saying what I have done for myself. Can you reference me where I have forced this on anybody?

 

[Kubash16]

?‍ You didn’t listen to a word I just said. I gotta go make some dinner.

 

[Cypress]

Wow - this thread has become quite heated, lots of disagreement on a lot of issues.

@maryiscontrary it sounds like you have been desperately trying to find something to alleviate your pain for a very long time. You have discovered something that you define as killing your ego as the key to a happier life. Fair enough. We all find our own path.

As a lifelong zen beginner, I view ego from the perspective of that tradition. Here is a koan or zen riddle that treats this concept of nothingness. I hope you enjoy it.

Nothing Exists

Yamaoka Tesshu, as a young student of Zen, visited one master after another. He called upon Dokuon of Shokoku.

Desiring to show his attainment, he said: "The mind, Buddha, and sentient beings, after all, do not exist. The true nature of phenomena is emptiness. There is no realization, no delusion, no sage, no mediocrity. There is no giving and nothing to be received."

Dokuon, who was smoking quietly, said nothing. Suddenly he whacked Yamaoka with his bamboo pipe. This made the youth quite angry.

"If nothing exists," inquired Dokuon, "where did this anger come from?"

 

[maryiscontrary]

Beautiful! Thanks so much for sharing! This is exactly what I'm trying to get at.